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| 1) Posted by: Dave February 21, 2003 6:33 AM An interesting discussion would be on 50 cent, and the huge success that his album has had so far (1.6 million sold in 10 days.) Here is an artist that had a massive buzz generated before his album was released, and much of that buzz was created through the Internet. Eminem and his protege, 50 cent, both used creative marketing tactics for both of their albums, and this was a huge reason for their success I think: including a DVD with a limited number of albums, releasing snippets of songs onto the Internet weeks before the albums were released, bumping up the release date. I think that especially with 50 cent's release, the record industry is going to release that the Internet is a huge marketing tool, and not just a conduit for piracy. |
| 2) Posted by: Billy Blass February 21, 2003 9:18 AM I disagree about the content issue being the problem. If the industry chances trends every couple years, then there still has to be a band/group/genre that is the initial catalyst. In the heavy metal/antisocial realm, bands like Nirvana and Korn come to mind. Those bands set trends. Linkin Park's one album success sparked a lot of trends recently too. Trends are good in the way it inspires the outsiders to crack into "the unique thing" to set off a new trend. This has been shown time and time again. |
| 3) Posted by: FLYGUY February 22, 2003 5:17 AM S, I totally agree with your article. The labels ***** and moan and still put out crap and expect it to sell as it did many years before P2P when could listen to the tracks. My grumble is that if you were a fan of an artist they would spread tracks on to soundtrack albums and foreign releases making fans pay huge amounts of money to get these tracks. Like everything in the world these days, people are just becoming that bit more aware of what is going on, and that businesses are not gods! |
| 4) Posted by: AutomaticJack February 24, 2003 10:13 AM this is directed at Billy Blass; I'm not flaming you so don't get pissy because I'm disagreeing with you. 1) have you ever bought a painting? I'm sure the erquired response is "yes" but I doubt it. 2) while you may not like Rap or whatever, Eminem is, without exaggeration, a bona fide WORLD breakthrough artist. there are several reasons for this, all legitimate and you can do a simple web search to find out those reasons. You don't buy cd's because you feel it's just for the art ("old school mass produced cd sleeve"? how old are you, 14?). buying cd's supports the artists' as well, aside from any grumblings about the raping of their royalties. and those "old school" sleeves are produced by artist and designers who are paid by the record industry. and the marketing and promotion work, all employ artists and desingers. there's a lot more than just the war between the artist, the buyer and the ominous record company. |
| 5) Posted by: Billy Blass February 24, 2003 5:00 PM AutomaticJack - |
| 6) Posted by: rob February 27, 2003 5:19 PM QUESTION ? |
| 7) Posted by: Dave March 2, 2003 7:47 PM Good Article Scott. |
| 8) Posted by: John March 7, 2003 5:38 PM rob, |
| 9) Posted by: Frankie March 11, 2003 2:40 PM One thing that I believe pists off the industries these days is not much the competetors, but the people themselves. I read this article, and I believe that industries could come up with a conclusion to all of this cd copying bulls%$t. Manufactures should try to come up with cd's that cannot be either copyright, or cannot be introduced to the internet. It is a mystery to me whenever i go online to burn a song, that the question comes in my head. ? Where do all of these come from. Who is actually putting these songs on the internet, for others to burn. If there could be a way that industries, could track down these pirates, and kick them off the internet world. Than industries would do just fine. This topic bothers me, because it deals with me in my career that I am going to pursue. I want to be a record producer, and own my personal industry. I know I will have the same problems in the future because piracy will still remain, just as hacking will still remail in the internet world. I also have to make a comment about Eminem. I like eminem, not because everybody wants his fu#$ing balls. But the fact that this white rappers compare to others, have given opportunities for other white rappers to make it. Even though it has been said that Eminem has closed down the doors for white rappers. But come on now...! Do you really think industries havent had the thought, ? well what if we get this guy, that has another trend, or this guy that has a different style. It will happen..... I've even seen it on the internet of supposevly new white rappers comming out soon....Most of you make think I'm some stupid white boy that is racist, or some sh#$. Well I'm hispanic, and not even close to white. And if i ever get my label going, all i have to say, is that anybody that can rap of any culture, has open doors to my crib.... |
| 10) Posted by: Lani March 11, 2003 7:10 PM I enjoyed and understood the point you were trying to send across, and i absolutely agree, to the information about the music industry, the trends, etc.....Thisk information was very resourceful, especially since i am studying the music industry for an upcomming project, but i also had a question due to the way music has changed, and for that matter, how songwriting has changed, especially with music like rap, pop, and so forth. |
| 11) Posted by: Kazaa March 13, 2003 11:25 AM I buy CDs all the time and lend them to friends. I assume they make copies. I make CDs for my long car commute that contain just songs I want to hear. So is this illegal? I bought the CDs, I own them, I should be able to do what I want with them. The stuff on Kazaa is basically poor quality anyway. If I really like something, I'll buy it. |
| 12) Posted by: Mads March 31, 2003 6:32 AM I download tracks of the net all the time, mostly because i want to discover new and lesser-known bands. If i like it, ill order the cd, if not, the tracks ends up being deleted... |
| 13) Posted by: suppamanlover April 5, 2003 5:09 PM Some of u are missing the whole point, ok first of all emeinem is not just some flash in the pan artist as some of you believe but i'm not gonna go into why he is not the big picture is, the fact that artists basically want money and the faster they can produce some worthless album the more money they make , right. Ok now rappers are basically walking trends there are few artists in the rap world who don't start a trend . Now eminem is an artist with alot more on his mind than these suburban kids that couldn't buy rythym which u would know if u actually listened to his work (Mr. Art-Buyer no person who buys art can tell me about rap first of all)I've been around since the begining of mtv but does that matter they weren't playing the rap artist then anyway until they seen how much money bet made off rap city with cris thomas rap is the future still which is why there are rappers like nelly selling as many albums as your pop stars not that i like nelly but those suburban kids we spoke of earlier will buy anything to make them fit in including the black artists since u were scared to say it eminem is the greatest rapper to touch a mic and that does not make him prone to falling off like you say it will just leave him a legend of rap like big and Pac but i guess I just been rapping and listening too long Damn you suck and u should really stick to art cuz you're rap world knowledge stinks and who listens to classical these days anyway |
| 14) Posted by: T April 6, 2003 12:17 PM Frankie, what the hell are you talking about? You cannot MAKE a CD that cannot be introduced on the Net and copy protection schemes don't work. If you knew anything about software, you'd know that. Do you really think that RIAA companies don't want to protect their investment? They do. They've tried. It doesn't work. Even DVD encryption has been hacked. |
| 15) Posted by: frost April 16, 2003 3:00 PM get a life |
| 16) Posted by: Me April 21, 2003 9:02 PM Well i dont know if this happend in the english music industry like the spanish but to my understanding artist dont make alot of money of cd or dvd sales . they make money from their concerts. |
| 17) Posted by: Brad June 29, 2003 12:02 AM I agree entirly with the article. In addition KaZaA helps the music industry becasue personally if I want a new CD then I download about half of it on KaZaA and If its any good I'll buy the Cd because If the artists can make something good enough to buy then people will buy it. KaZaA only hurts the music industry if all but 2 or 3 songs on a Cd suck. Piracy shouldn't be a problem crappy music is |
| 18) Posted by: Marissa Marchant July 16, 2003 8:48 PM Hi, I am a genius. |
| 19) Posted by: Hmmm July 21, 2003 7:22 AM Yes, yes... that's *very* interesting... Please note people, artists are being screwed by RIAA just as much as they are trying to screw P2P. Marissa, I hope your sense of humor develops to the same level as your "genius"... But I do agree with your point about the quality, but it's not about the customer not buying quality CD's It's about the Recording Industry Sh*tting itself and not pushing anything other than safe-as-houses bubblegum pop. (ok I'm exaggerating) As the executives in the music industry feel the pinch, because guess who get's fired when targets aren't met. They shore up and take as few risks as possible, get behind ludicrous scheme's to damage the long term future of the industry, because they are so short-sighted. Scott's points about the fact that only one decent CD was released in 2002 is metaphorical, sure YOU might not dig eminem but were there a whole bunch af great major releases that you "Just had to own!" Personally, my CD purchases have not been affected by P2P, my CD buying dropped off when I was in my early twenties and started making my own music... P2P just means I can get hold of tracks that I'd probably not buy anyway... But here's the thing, when I was too young to have money to buy the latest chart sounds I just taped them off the radio, if I loved a band, I'd buy their LP in a snap... (or as soon as I'd saved enough money) So is it "my" fault that their are less artists being promoted that people LOVE enough to buy their tracks? It's so true that the music industry has lost it's way... and it happend a long time before P2P was around. That's my bit. |
| 20) Posted by: mike September 8, 2003 1:37 AM it goes hand in hand. less people are buying cds bc its easy to download them. It really is true, but musicians of the past who were amazing made no money and died poor. Just bc america has allowed this to evolve as far as it has, doesnt make it right. Making millions bc you rap about hoes is itself a mockery of our society just as the RIAA going after p2p and basic human freedoms is. Its along the same lines as the recent patent case with microsoft: they are a horrible dictatorship in the computer world, but plugins were not invented by that 2 bit asshole who just won 520 million. The RIAA is not going anywhere however, and its our own fault that they have all the money. We couldnt find anything better to do all these past years but hopelessly worship whatever the hell new thing they were selling each month. So its fruitless to blame anyone but ourselves. One can only hope all this thug shit will disappear like 80s glam-rock, but i dont forsee that happening either. My 2 cents |
| 21) Posted by: lucy October 8, 2003 7:36 PM >>>>>The RIAA is not going anywhere however, and its our own fault that they have all the money. We couldnt find anything better to do all these past years but hopelessly worship whatever the hell new thing they were selling each month. So its fruitless to blame anyone but ourselves.>>> I agree, and the RIAA scare tactics of suing the parents of young kids who've downloaded tracks on Kazzaa or grokster is not going to win them any new friends. |
| 22) Posted by: Greg October 30, 2003 9:32 AM The traditional music biz is in a tailspin, record labels have slashed 25 percent of their workforce worldwide over the past 2 years.....Game over! |
| 23) Posted by: Myst December 6, 2003 1:18 AM Ok, this is probably my first time and last time viewing this place... but i couldnt leave without saying something, this is a interesting a a big problem in our society... Thats basically summing it up. So now that this whole bootlegging thing has become a problem, Record Companies are lowering the prices for cd's. And for Eminem, man i hear that name anywhere and everywhere... Well, thats just my oppinion... bitch at me if yah want... But this is just a oppinion from a future music artist. |
| 24) Posted by: emily January 4, 2004 5:44 PM there is going to be a classical revival and a performing arts MEGA BOOM. wait for it and boogie oogie woogie! |
| 25) Posted by: K February 29, 2004 9:21 PM :what it should be: :on rap: :on copying: ;THE INDUSTRY; |
| 26) Posted by: K February 29, 2004 9:29 PM wtf!!! you list my ip address!!! i dont care if you blank the first 3 numbers!!!! Delist it at once please. I'm all for privacy. Fair enough EVERY WHERE the IP is Logged, and a little trail follows me about, but i don't appreciate even the last 8 digits being avalible for anyone to see, especially if its STATIC!!! 256 is not many numbers to go through! |
| 27) Posted by: FATCAT March 17, 2004 10:55 AM MUSIC IS A LIE. IT ISN'T REAL/ IT NEVER WAS RIAA I HOPE YOU SHOOT YOURSELVES IN THE HEAD AND ALL THE INDUSTRY FAT CATS WHO SIGN BAD MUSIC AND I MEAN ROCK AND RAP TOO, NOT JUST POP, I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE NO JOBS TO GO TO. IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT YOU SIGN ROCK AND POP ARTISTS JUST COZ YOU WANNA FUCK THEM! U WANT TO GET THEM INTO BED RATHER THAN INTO A STUDIO. I WILL NOT SUCK CORPORATE COCK FOR THAT. |
| 28) Posted by: Cheap Laptops Nut April 8, 2004 12:41 AM Music makes me feel alife. I don't care where it came from. If I have to pay I'll pay... |
| 29) Posted by: marissa marchant May 30, 2004 12:39 AM excuse me idiot....my sense of humor...their are women are geniuses in the world..like mozart fool! |
| 30) Posted by: Telemetry June 27, 2004 2:01 PM alot can be said if you take into consideration that the entertainment/music industry generates probably trillions of dollars from the American people every year. The recent trends within the music industry have been enough to make me sick. Take unAmerican Idol for example, the heads in the corporate realm of music realized that the quality of music itself was beginning to suffer from the stranglehold they placed on talent, and a few years later as sales slip, we have this television show brainwashing the mainstream culture. You no longer need talent to make a record, you just need an image. What does that do to the music industry you ask? well, I believe it forces the true creative musicians further into the underground, left alone to create another new genre or style of music that will define our next decade... just as rap and grunge came about during the early 80's force feeding of star search to the mass-market. as an artist, I will tell you that I am fed up with the politics of it all, and that there alot of other musicians that feel the same way. I think in the near future, you will see more inventive artists emerging with thier own independant labels, uninhibited by what is popular or mainstream to make a buck, and using the internet as a tool to reach out to the true music listeners. The industry will more than likely catch wind of it, and plug it into mainstream, capitolize on it... make millions, and beat until it's no longer fresh. so is it more important to fit in with it all, or use what they give us to break the mold, and break new ground?
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| 31) Posted by: §evin July 2, 2004 3:11 PM 1930-1950: jazz, blues, hard bop, big band, be bop... 1960-1970: British rock, experimental rock, ? 1970-1980: disco, funk, hip hop(rap), r&b, punk, ska, heavy metal, gothic rock, new wave, raggae...(?) 1980-1990: contemporary rock, grunge rock, speed metal, german metal, hair metal, techno(electronica), break beat, Chicago house, brit pop(synth pop), euro pop, (LA-NY)gangsta rap, soul...(?) 1990-2000: alternative rock, rap-rock, death metal, revival of ska and punk, jungle, drum and bass, detroit techno, hardcore techno, rave, disco house, funky house, LA breaks, experimental trance, goa trance, NRG, hard house, speed garage, southern hip hop, midwest hip hop, euro hip hop, glam rap, etc...(?) 2000-2004: THERE'S JUST TOO DAMN MANY GENRES!!!!!! As long as there's new ideas coming up, there will be twice as many a year later. That's the beauty of music. |
| 32) Posted by: steven hubbard July 16, 2004 11:56 AM Emeinem is the greates rapper on the face of the earth.No other rapper could be as great as Emeinem. |
| 33) Posted by: Chris August 1, 2004 11:37 AM I have read that the music industry has reached maturity. This means that in order for it to grow there needs to be a new technology and/or flood of new ideas to attract customers. I agree that most commercial music lacks creativity and uses old formulas for success. Rap and hip-hop are the last infusion of creativity upon the market. Cobain stated that every ten years a new evolution or trend hits the music industry. What is the upcoming trend? One of the possibilities involves immigration. New immigrants and domestic peoples will have the opportunity to mix the music of their cultures together, but I have not seen much evidence of this. For example, there is a large Hispanic population in the U.S. and I have heard Hispanic music. I have also heard Hispanic rappers, but the giants in the music industry seem to move these artists to markets outside the U.S. American Idol also has done a disservice, but their producers are laughing all the way to the bank. The tour just came through Columbus, Ohio this weekend and it was sold out. I guess there is room for all sorts and the singers do have talent, but it looks like pre-packaged bullshit to me. I can see it now, parents who failed rearing their daughters as child beauty queens will now look to American Idol for fortune and fame. Chris from Columbus |
| 34) Posted by: boom August 16, 2004 10:59 AM nice article, although what everyone is saying is this:bitching,bitching,bitching-including the oh great marissa which her talent brought her to these comments, making her geniuse, world-wide. sorry for the rudeness, but you guyz need a wake up call-total globalization of information-including movies,music,books and whatever other means is going to be free for all to use. not now or in the next few years, but a next generation looks plausible. the world is going through this process, whether you see it or not, as it was said here-it is much easier to dowload a song that you heard from the radio(even the internet radio) than to actually go out and buy it. |
| 35) Posted by: J September 7, 2004 8:29 AM Is giving out your own phone number on the net grounds for institutionalization? :) http://www.livejournal.com/community/marissamarchant/494.html http://www.photoseen.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=albur46&id=bliss |
| 36) Posted by: Gospel Greeting Christian E-Cards September 26, 2004 11:14 PM >>>>>The RIAA is not going anywhere however, and its our own fault that they have all the money. We couldnt find anything better to do all these past years but hopelessly worship whatever the hell new thing they were selling each month. So its fruitless to blame anyone but ourselves.>>> I agree, and the RIAA scare tactics of suing the parents of young kids who've downloaded tracks on Kazzaa or grokster is not going to win them any new friends. |
| 37) Posted by: LORDSON October 27, 2004 10:34 AM yeah really right.................................written in order |
| 38) Posted by: Wenda November 6, 2004 4:11 PM Great article - |
| 39) Posted by: Seymore Buttes November 10, 2004 11:31 PM Tap that music industry ass |
| 40) Posted by: adam December 18, 2004 6:21 PM When a really good CD comes out (such as Eminem's), of course people are going to rush to stores to buy it (vs. downloading it). One of the reasons for this is simply the instant gratification factor. You can download the tracks from a Music service (such as Napster) and then burn the CD. But this takes more time than rushing to the store to buy the CD. Plus, the burned CD tracks will be of lower quality. If a product is marketed well enough, people can't wait to get their hands on it. Just one POV. |
| 41) Posted by: Wenda December 23, 2004 10:36 AM So what do you think the future holds for music files? |
| 42) Posted by: Robert February 1, 2005 12:02 PM There's been the emergence of indie labels and now the prices of home studios have really dropped,so about anyone can release a Cd and it's hurting the music industry big time. |
| 43) Posted by: wenda February 1, 2005 12:28 PM I found an article about CD sales being up for the first time in six years - here it is: http://www.peterboroughjams.ca/classifieds/viewtopic.php?t=81 They think that the artists should produce enhanced CDs, like what you get when you buy a DVD. And keep the prices low. Lower CD prices may have caused the jump in sales. |
| 44) Posted by: real artist March 12, 2005 4:10 PM when an music industry only plays african american music an every white person needs to sings like they are black there is something so silly about this. |
| 45) Posted by: anthony March 13, 2005 9:51 AM Priscilla Hernandez and friends harassed a real artist off the net. Made up stories about them all over the net. these people aren't even famous and they are so against real artists and really talented people ..that even unsigned acts are trying desperately to form clubs that exclude and abuse really gifted people. this person and her sick friends hate people with real talent. Priscilla Hernandez is like the people who have ruinded the music industry. she is anti talent scum..and so are her phony friends. these people lie to protect their agenda...to promote untalented people and thus because a star ..they don't care about art.
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| 46) Posted by: Slim Shady March 16, 2005 8:03 PM I think that Eminem does a great job in the music industry and his CDs sell well. |
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if you think they are right , go become part of the music biz. |
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| 63) Posted by: harassed musician December 21, 2005 1:56 PM The internet is monitored by people who want control over the media and people's opinions. They try to sway people's opinions by making Google searches turn up negative about confident female composers . I have a friend who had to take her website down because she is a female who is a serious virtuoso and composer. These porn addicts calls themselves geeks and work for Wikipedia and defamed my friend. They also defame other people in false biographies about people. Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information. The media and people who run the porn business do not want artist especially females to say they superior to sluts in the entertainment industry. They want women to have low self-esteem. They cyber-stalked my friend and hundreds of men were writing her messages that she should not think too highly of herself. The internet has been filled with controlling men who want to put women in their place on public boards. one board said that she was UNbro. |
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