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Freddy Vs Jason

Scott Manning
August 16, 2003 | Comments (637)


Director: Ronny Yu
Release Date: August 15th, 2003
Rating: R for pervasive horror violence/gore, gruesome images, sexuality, drug use and language
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jasonvsfreddy.jpgI know what you're probably thinking. "Oh, no. Not another one of these movies. I can't believe anyone would pay money to see this crap, let alone, Scott Manning, a lover of fine cinema."

I never thought that for a second. In fact, from the first notion of a movie containing two cult figures of horror going at it in a battle to the death, Freddy Vs Jason became one of the most exciting things I could think of watching this summer.

You may mock it, but give it some thought. What is the first thing that comes to mind when you see a hockey mask? What is the first thing you think about when you see a glove with six-inch long blades coming out the fingers? What is the first thing you think of when you hear the name Jason or Freddy? These two monsters are ingrained in American society and there's no getting rid of them. They are known for their excesive violence and cheesy plot sequels.

So why not throw them together in a movie? This battle has been waiting to happen for nearly twenty years.

My journey
The story of getting to this movie is almost as entertaining as the movie itself. After underestimating the popularity of the film, I didn't buy tickets ahead of time. The movie was sold-out at two locations and we ended up driving to a theater nearly 30 miles away out in the middle of nowhere just to get to a place that had available tickets.

Don't let that fool you though. The theater was definitely packed.

The plot
So what amazing plot could the creators of this film come up with? To be honest with you, I just went for the fight, but there was a plot nonetheless.

Using a mixture of anti-dreaming drugs and playing Big Brother, the people of Elm Street have erased any memory of Freddy Krueger (still played by Robert England) from the minds of the children. Freddy, finding himself powerless and unable to kill innocent teenagers like he does so well, manipulates Jason Voorhees (played by Ken Kirzinger) into reeking havoc in his stead. Freddy's hope is that the memory of him will return until the kiddies start dreaming again, enabling his nightmarish return.

The plan sounds practically fool-proof until Jason won't stop killing kids. And Freddy prefers to get his hands dirty by doing the killing himself. The battle for killing rights then ensues on Elm Street and ends up in a grand finale on Jason's home turf, Camp Crystal Lake.

Upon taking polls at work and discussing the battle with friends, the most common conclusion is that there will be no winner. Since the rules of the fight were not defined anywhere in the movie, I'm going to institute my own: Two men in; one man out. Or how about last man standing?

Going by either of those rules, there is a clear victor in this movie.

Worth the money? Depends on what you're buying.
If you're going to this movie expecting to see the next contestant at the Oscars this year, you're obviously a moron. But if you go to this movie expecting to see another horror flick with two of the most prominent personalities in slasher films go at it in an epic battle that will be referred to and discussed in pop-culture for decades to come, then you won't be disappointed.

It is worth mentioning that there are other people in this movie and most of them do end up dead in some sort of violent manner.

Freddy Vs Jason: Who did you bet on?

Related links:
Freddy Vs Jason Official Website
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Update: August 25, 2003
I've heard a few rumors about there being alternate endings to Freddy Vs Jason. After doing some research, I found an article by MTV News that says, "Robert Englund had previously suggested alternate endings to Freddy Vs. Jason that have yet to materialize - perhaps they'll be on the DVD version - and much can change in the development process."


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Comments (637):
1) Posted by: asia melissa mizelle
August 18, 2003 10:47 PM

i myself want freddy to win but people keep on telling me that jason won but i am betting on freddy go boy


2) Posted by: jonathan
August 23, 2003 12:07 AM

i think freddy one ,jason wuz getting his ass kicked through the hole movie yea jason came out the water wit freddy head but at the end freddy winked his eyes but jason wuz being thrown around through the hole movie.jason didnt chop off freddy head the gurl did so who ever thinks jason one i dont know what movie they were watchin freddy cant die if jasons head wuz choped off and his body he would die freddy would still be alive he cant die


3) Posted by: Sergio Rodriguez
August 25, 2003 1:59 PM

Scott, I was just wondering if you could explain something to me. I don't get the ending, I thought this movie was the last installment of the Freddy and Jason movies. I figured that both of them would die, but Jason walking out of the lake with Freddy's winking head just left the ending open for yet another movie. Clint said that y'all had a conversation about the catterpiller and hooka scene and that you didn't understand how Freddy was able to kill the stoner. Well right before Freddy enters his body the movie shows the "stoner" smoking a joint, which lead me to believe that he got really stoned and passed out causing him to dream and eventually be possessed by Freddy. I didn't understand how Freddy was able to possess the "stoner" but then again it's only a movie.


4) Posted by: e
August 25, 2003 7:13 PM

ok, not only did freddy beat the living shit out of him through most of the movie but he also broke him down mentaly by making him curl up and cry like a little bitch. maybe jason did come up out of the water in the end with freddy's head but come on he blinked his eye like "yeah jason's my little bitch". so if anyone was paying any attention you will clearly see that freddy just pimped jason out like a filthy prostitute. so in closing hail freddy!


5) Posted by: dobbs
August 30, 2003 12:31 AM

this was defantly a great movie freddy bitched the shit outta jason but in the end jason had homefield advantage and he just fucked freddy up if i had to pick a winner it would be jason but freddys wink tells u this shit aint over so iam expecting a sequal next summer
dobbs


6) Posted by: Jonnie Salaiz
August 31, 2003 11:43 PM

I was wondering who had one? then I found out it was jason because I saw the movie. It sure was funny to me hell yeah I said it was funny!!! if you see it you will like it.

1...2...freddy is coming for you!
3...4...jason is at your door

nothing is worse that a nightmare on friday the 13th!


7) Posted by: sikander
September 3, 2003 3:50 PM

I Enjoyed the movie because ive been watchin jason and freedy since i was a kid, and cudnt wait 2c this movie. ive always been a fan of Jason and betted on him. wen i watched the movie i had a feeling dat freddy wud win but man FREDDY got his head kicked in, though jason got beaten up quite alot thoroughout the film. but it was utter nonesense dat they go bak in the past and bak in the future, but the main thing was who will win i was happy to walk out of the cinema seeing Jason grabbing freddies head, the reason freddy was winking cos he was ashammed, no worries mate we c wat u do in round 2.


8) Posted by: richard
September 3, 2003 5:45 PM

i aint seen this film yet but
1. the finale was on JASON's home turf. he knows crystal lake like the back of his hand. he died there more than once. hes lives there all his life(then again misshapen reject to society and seriel killer presumed dead later to be brought back to life by that jarvis kid then later go missing and being frozen then thawed out on a space ship after some dumb girl cut off his mask(big nono)then remove his brain(thats really gonna piss a man off) then allow him to thaw out completely after completely ignoring the amazing luck and superhuman tissue regeneration(worst mistake that wont happen again), is bound to be a outcast and forced to live in a abandoned camp and slaughter those doped horny twats havin a shag in the woods for his only form of fun and probably his strange diluded made up religion.
2.Jason voorhees kicks ass and he has to win as freddy vs jason is set before jason x and after part 9
3.if they took there fight into the real world, jason would kick ass
4 jason could slaugter freddy, micheal and billy loomis(not much needed there)and 100 horny teenagers all at once( after all, 7 armed army men in 10 seconds(record)) but not chucky cos chucky rules.
5.1 way to kill a seriel killer is to threaten them with a furby(garenteed suicide)


9) Posted by: LordRain
September 3, 2003 10:39 PM

Here is my problems in the movie(they do contain spoilers)
#1 I know that Jason has always been realy strong but in this movie it was greatly exagerated,I mean I have never seen him do something like that in a jason movie, I know speacile effects have improved over the years but they don't have to go that far to make people go oooh ahhhh,it wasn't necercary.
#2Outside a certain distance of Elm street is Freddy's max distance,you leave the proxsimity he can't be in your dream,but yet he was in jasons dream all the way to camp lake crystal.
#3 not so much a problem,the symbiot freddy worms,I don't realy ever remember seeing them in previos films,( they arent realy anything that he couldnt do being the worms are broughten from dream world and back,) exept jason goes to hell,at the end with the worms going in and out the hockey mask.

#4 One realy big one, when freddy is forced into the real world,he is soposed to be mortal,not the way he was in the movie,In other movies they didnt have to wip the shit out of him like if he was superman like they portray jason in this movie,all need do is kill him like any other human,and the fact he got his head choped off and was all winking at the end realy doesn't make sense,sure its just a movie,but if thats so who cares about the most important rules of the movies,hay lets put freddy and jason in tootoos,they can do a little musical beeing a movie and all.

#5 This one Iam not so sure about,in a freddy movie he is destroyed by looking at his reflection,well in the movie you see him looking at his reflection in the water scenes,yet no instatanias combustion.....

#6 Although freddy was mortal in the real world if his hand is dismembered he is soposed to be able to controle his glove still,but it was cool in the end where they used each others trade mark wepons.

#7 this movie did realy fit jason into this movie but no wonder it's called freddy vs. jason and not jason vs freddy,I do like how they got into greater explaination of what happened in jason orgins,No wonder he targets teenagers at camp crystal!!!
Everything that happend there explains why he does what he does,Wich makes him the partial good guy the lesser evil of the 2 in a way,also I don't only think that jason shoved freddys claw through him to finish the battle,but to protect the one chick for trying to help him from drowning in dreamworld,also jason has never killed a virgin,freddy has,I guessJason will kill anyone that gets in his path but only targets the unpure,pretty much anything you saw in his dreamscape,and freddy targets inocent adolecent souls (well prefers)but will take anything that comes his way.


Thats pretty much it,I think this movie could have been a much more epic event but it kinda spoofed at the end,exspeacily the very end.


10) Posted by: Quilled One
September 4, 2003 11:18 PM

Okay...Jason didn't 'get the shit whipped out of him' as alot of people have been saying. For the most part, in the real world when Lori pulled Freddy out and they started fighting, Freddy's attacks weren't having alot of effect on Jason. Remember at the beginning of the movie, Jason's mother states that 'no matter what they do to you, you cannot die...you can never die'. Getting punched and kicked and stabbed a bunch of times is like being slapped with a feather to Jason Voorhees. Freddy was desperate in the real world, it was literally all or nothing for him, because he knew all too well how dangerous Jason is in reality.

Now, I'm not saying Freddy didn't put up one heck of a fight. Freddy Krueger kicked total ass in that movie, and so did Jason. It was pretty much an even fight, because even in the real world, Freddy still had his tricks and ways of fighting depite the strength difference between them.

If you want to get technical, Freddy would have won the fight and against the kids if Jason hadn't run him through with his own clawed arm. So technically, Jason had a hand in Freddy's defeat, just like Freddy had a hand in Jason's. The very end of the movie was a tribute to all the fans; Jason emerging from the lake and Freddy's head winking. It wasn't part of the official "ending of the fight", it was a fan service. Another thing that I thought was kinda cool was the way Lori 'killed' Freddy: the exact same way that Jason's mother, Pamela Voorhees, was killed in the original Friday the 13th. If you watch, it's almost an exact match for the filming they did when Jason's mom died, right down to the expression on Freddy's face right before it happened. Good stuff!! Ronny Yu definitely knows his stuff here!!

Anyway, I hope that I don't get a bunch of Freddy fans jumping down my throat for saying Freddy had to get desperate in the real world, but it's the truth. Even Ronny Yu, the director of the film, said as much, that Jason has the upper hand in the real world. And yes, I am a huge Friday the 13th fan, but I also LOVE the Nightmare on Elm St. series. If I absolutely had to pick a favorite, it would be Jason, but that's besides the point.

Later.


11) Posted by: gaertf
September 14, 2003 12:53 AM

Im not exactly sure who wins or what happens but one of my views is that when jason falls in the water after stabbing freddy with freddy's clawed hand, jason falls in the water and closes his eyes. I think that maybe he could've fallen asleep and allowed freddy to invade and make the ending.


12) Posted by: Freddyfan
October 1, 2003 2:42 PM

Now I'm a freddy fan but the fact of the matter is it doesn't matters who won the battle it matters who wins the war and JASON won the war!!! SO FAR......


13) Posted by: chichi
October 14, 2003 5:03 PM

i want to know who side were the kids on


14) Posted by: Scott Banks
October 14, 2003 9:47 PM

I say Freddy won. I have seen the movie and absolutely LOVED it!! I have been a Jason fan for years after seeing a few when I was six. Then I saw Wes Craven's New nightmare and fell in love(Sorry Jason, it's not you... it's Freddy). Now, I'm only 14 and I have been a Freddy fan for little over a month after seeing Jason movies since I was six. Freddy winked!!!!!! Yeah, he lost.... but the wink signifies that there is most likey a sequal in which Freddy gets revenge. Personally, I say that they should make a few series about this match, having the winner fight a new horror movie every time. Right now, it should be Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Michael Myers(Halloween). How can it get any better than that?! The only thing worse then a Nightmare on Friday the 13 is a Nightmare on Halloween on Friday the 13. Hell yeah! Freddy beat the crap out of Michael after Jason is finished off. Either that or have all three of em Vs. the thirteen ghosts. I mean, what could be better than Jason Vs. an invisible Jagernaut? Or how's about Freddy goin at it with the Hammer(The Jackel sucks, besides, who the hell wants to see claw in claw matches?)? Deny it if you want, but this would not only attract Freddy and Jason fans, fans of Michael Myers and/or the thirteen ghosts would be equally pleased. I knew that there would be a Freddy Vs. Jason. In part nine(Friday the 13), Freddy's claw grabs the mask. Say what you want, Freddy won. And if not, he'll win next time. Freddy will come back... he always comes back.


15) Posted by: Scott Banks
October 14, 2003 10:05 PM

One more thing... You guys all put up good points. Like the fact that Freddy was just killed normally in the real world... but even in reality Freddy beat the crap out of jason, with the needles through the torso and nailing him to the ground. BUT, In Freddy Vs. Jason how the heck could he have lasted that long with Jason? Freddy and Jason both have regeneration powers, but in this movie it was only Freddy while he is in the real world. Jason wasn't regenerating, and Freddy was!!! What is up with that? Noone, even Freddy, could last that long in the ring with Jason. And the kids were helping Jason, weren't you paying attention to the movie?! When Jason was drowning, a kid asked what they were doing with Jason. They answered, 'We're taking him to Crystal Lake. We're going to send Lora in to bring Freddy back into reality, where hopefully Jason will win.' 'But what about Jason?' 'Once there, he has no need to come back for us.' They said as plain as you can get that they were on JASON's side. And Jason didn't give a crap for saving the girl. He stalled Freddy so that she could finish the job. Figuring that he would lose anyway, he thought that maybe if he goes down, Freddy's comin with him. Freddy just went back to hell, in which case he'll come back in the sequal.


16) Posted by: CHRIS
November 1, 2003 3:14 PM

LITSEN JOHNATHAN YOU SAID FREDDY CAN'T DIE RIGHT BUT NEITHER CAN JASON I MYSELF AM A JASON FAN AND ALSO I THINK JASON WON BECAUSE HE STILL HAD HIS FULL BODY ALL FREDDY HAD WAS HIS HEAD AND WHO CARES IF FREDDI WINKED CUZ JASON IS THE SHIT.


17) Posted by: A Person
November 1, 2003 10:32 PM

I hear ya. Everyone asks me who won and I always tell 'em it was Jason. Then someone else who saw the movie says it was a tie or whatever cuz Freddy Winked. WHO CARES?! Let's say that I get beat up(I don't very often), and at the end I WINK. Does this mean I made the fight a tie? No. It's the same dang thing! Sure, Freddy is stronger(Don't bother arguing bout that, it was pretty obvious in the movie), but Jason won.


18) Posted by: Mad
November 4, 2003 4:25 AM

Truth.. I did not see the movie. I wanted to but at the time I was immensely busy with work and did not get around to it.

Truth.. I am a Freddy Fan

Truth.. I absolutely Had to know who won.. faggot "friends" who watched it won't tell me

Truth.. Went to a Bookstore.. Grabbed the Freddy vs Jason book and read the last few pages. Guess what.. I left feeling much better.


19) Posted by: MaD
November 4, 2003 4:37 AM

Just to Add before any flames come. Like I said, I did not see the movie..will get the DVD when it's out though. and it looks like the book has an epilogue the movie doesn't.

Jason might be strong and relentless and overpowering. I won't deny if he won the fight in the end. But Freddy's just more scary anyday...


20) Posted by: Scott Banks
November 5, 2003 7:18 PM

Okay, I am only 14, but I know who wins when I see it. Jason won, no doubt, but Freddy's just scarier. I mean, he controls dreams; everyone has dreams, that makes him scary. Jason only comes out on Friday the 13th. Yeah sure, he may be big, bad, strong, and nearly impossible to kill, but Friday the 13th don't come everyday, nor does it come every month, nor every year.... And another thing, Jason only kills the Unpure((I feel sorry for you guys, heh,heh,heh..), Freddy kills whoever he feels like killing. And what's this on a Freddy Vs. Jason book? Where can I find one? Oh, well. I have an add on my email asking for you to pay some money to get the Freddy Vs. Jason DVD. I can send it to whoever wants it.


21) Posted by: MaD
November 6, 2003 8:30 PM

These days. Every book is made into a movie and every movie into a book.


22) Posted by: Scott Banks
November 7, 2003 8:10 PM

I knew books were made into movies, but I never knew movies were made ito books.... strange. Oh, and I have an entire script to Freddy Vs. Jason. Not the won we(everyone who saw it) saw, but a different version. I was quite pleased at the desicion. If you'd like, I can mail you a copy. On better notes, I'll give you an addess to follow. Type in allmoviescripts.com at the address bar and it will take you there. All you do is type in the movie you want the script for and it comes up wih the five closest maches.


23) Posted by: Brian Butler
November 28, 2003 7:15 PM

Everybody is entitled to their own opion, but come on. Jason would have been dead if it wasnt for the band of teenagers plotting against Freddy(in reference to when Freddy was drowning Jason in his dream). Also, at the end of the movie when Jason was carrying Freddy's head out of Crystal Lake, look at the sky in the background. Jason was obviously in the dream world and when Freddy winked, well that was the icing on the cake.


24) Posted by: Red Bird
December 1, 2003 10:39 PM

Freddy put up a good fight, so did Jason. I think they made it out that Jason won the fight but Freddy will be back for some more sequals to nightmare on elm street. They ended the book with a different ending only cause that way it could be fair. All in all they let Freddy have some good knocks at Jason during the movie to put everyone on track that freddy was the better and the one with the better advantage at winning. Then we see Jason at the end walking out of Crystal Lake walking full in control of freddy. They just lead us to believe that freddy would win to give us a surprise. And it worked.

Another point was said that "Outside a certain distance of Elm street is Freddy's max distance,you leave the proxsimity he can't be in your dream, but yet he was in jasons dream all the way to camp lake crystal". Freddy could only be in Jasons subcoinsious because he wasn't attached to Elm street anymore. He was in Hell and he used probaly all the energy he had to enter Jasons dream, even though he could not hurt him, he tricked him.

Another Point is that Jason's fear of water. that ain't right. Look at all the Jason's movies where he has come out of the Lake. Also it again makes u feel that freddy is going to win.

All in all it was only a movie, i'm a Jason Fan but i think freddy put up a good fight and that was what the wink was for. To show that Freddy is strong and he did his best. It's just to say he'll be back and it is to keep the Nightmare on Elm Street fans happy in knowing that. My final opinion. There was a clear winner: Jason


25) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 3, 2003 12:52 PM

I disagree. The movie made it obvious that Freddy is stronger.... and you may be right that it was just to trick us. But Freddy is not dead. This was a oneman in one man out fight. The winner was whoever was left standing. If Freddy were to have, indeed, lost, then he would have been dead. And if he were dead then he could not wink. I think perhaps the fact that Jason came out of the water with Freddy's head was just another trick. Perhaps this was just round 1 of the fight and Freddy was just fooling around. I think that in the sequal(If there is one), It will end up that Freddy had tricked Jason yet again. Freddy (supposedly) lost because of a bunch of kids helping Jason. If Freddy faked out his own death, then the kids would leave. No interference. Then he could take Jason by surprise and kick some butt. After that he goes down to elm street and gets rid of the kids. Maybe in the sequal Freddy will be fighting a new opponent(Not Jason). The kids have no hope without Jason, whom Freddy has either killed or left to be done with(fooling him, Jason won't go after someone he thinks is dead.). Besides, Jason X must be brought up into this subject. In Jason X he gets caught and sent to the future. What if... just what if.... Freddy Vs. Jason takes place just before Jason X? It has to!!! Because at the end of JKason X it is still in the future. Perhaps Freddy takes control of Jason? Why bother tricking him? If Freddy truly lost, and is snet to hell. Why can't he possess Jason and kill whoever the helll he wants? He possessed the stoner. And another thing. When did the stoner fall asleep? The only way that he could have done that is if when they entered the mental institute they were all in dream world. In which case the fight was in dream world. Which means Freddy FAKED HIS OWN DEATH!!!!! Get the brats out of the way. They think he's dead, right? Now, when they found he was alive before, they got Jason to go after him. So if they find out that Jason can't handle him, then what's to stop them from getting something else after Freddy? So... here's my idea of Freddy Vs. Jason 2. Freddy did indeed fake his own death, and he then possesses Jason.OR he could have really been killed and possess Jason anyway. But, the kids find out after a few of them arew found dead. So they go and get something else after Freddy/Jason. Somehow or another, they drag Freddy out of Jason, and it's a two on one fight. Any questions?


26) Posted by: Red Bird
December 5, 2003 6:00 PM

Yeah. Freddy Lost. Jason Won. Only cause Jason Killed about 3x more people than Freddy and he put the final blow though Freddy with his own claws. The girl slicing his head off was agy and was only to close up the storyline with them. It rally would of worked well if they were not in it! The Movie would of been better for it !


27) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 6, 2003 2:44 PM

Were you not listening?! Freddy was in dream world! So was Jason! Freddy threw the fight because Jason was so pathetic! Listen carefully: The kids HELPED JASON!!!!!!!!!! Had it not been for them where do you think Jason would be? Let's look back, shall we? Ah, yes. Here we have Freddy making Jason CRY like a little wimp. And then we go to Camp Crystal Lake. Here we have Jason being drown to death thanks to FREDDY. And here comes one of the kids. She dives in and HELPS JASON!!! Now, what do you think would have happened to Jason had there been no interferance? Jason would have drowned. So, even if Jason won, Freddy is STILL STRONGER. Admit it! Jason only won because he had help!


28) Posted by: Red Bird
December 8, 2003 8:38 PM

Het Mate. The story sucked with the kids. Give it up. It could of been the other way around but it would of made no difference. Jason cannot die. Only a Voortees can kill him and last time I looked Freddy didn't belong to the Voortees Family. Freddy has a weakness unlike Jason. In the real world he is a mortal. Jason is immortal where ever he may be. It would of kept going but Freddy would either get tired or end up in the real world. Either way Freddy would lose. You gotta admit it mate. And when did Jason cry? Man your ful of shit!


29) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 8, 2003 8:56 PM

Okay, listen. I forgot all about the Voorhees thing. But No lie Jason cried. Dream World. They were fighting and a pipe broke. Water cam down and Jason backed off. Freddy then said, "Aaaahhhh.... so there IS something your afraid of." Water surround Jason. Next scene Jason is a little kid, lying on the ground crying. But in Part Nine(Jason Goes to Hell) Jason was killed using a Voorhees weapon. Now lets suppose that Freddy got a Voorhees weapon.... say.... the knife the kids used in Part Nine. Now. imagine Freddy manipulating the knife(possessing it like he does his glove). Stab. Stab, dead. Now, I'm going to argue both sides here. Jason would be pulled into the ground like in part nine. No... I forgot.... Only a Voorhees can use the weapon.. Good show, mate. LADIES AND GENTLEMAN!!!!! DESPITE YOUR BEST ARGUEMENTS JASON WOULD HAVE WON AND DID WIN!!!!!!! I MYSELF AM A FREDDY FAN, THROUGH AND THROUGH. IF ANYONE IS DENSE ENOUGH TO POST A MESSAGE AFTER THIS, I WILL NOT WASTE MY TIME REPLYING.


30) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 8, 2003 8:58 PM

P.S. The scene wher Jason cries come after the second to lat scene shown above.


31) Posted by: Red Bird
December 9, 2003 5:22 AM

Whatever, Jason won. How do u explain the point I made. Only a Voorhees can kill him. Freddy ain't a Voorhees !


32) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 9, 2003 5:19 PM

I take it back! I was talking to my good friend, Boo(Jason fan), and we came up to the discussion of Freddy Vs. Jason. We got to talking why Freddy never possessed Jason. Which brings me to say Freddy could have won had he POSSESSED a Voorhees. Okay? Now, how do we know there are no Voorhees on Elm Street? Besides, Freddy was posing as Jason's mom. If Freddy killed him in that form then technically Jason was killed by a Voorhees. Freddy manipulated a dead guy in the dream world, why not Jason's mother?
Oh, and for those of you wondering why I change my mind, I'm a Freddy Fan, through and through. I will defend Freddy till the day I die. So, here's a message: Jason sucks! He can never measure up to Freddy Kruegar!!!!!!


33) Posted by: Red Bird
December 10, 2003 6:20 PM

Freddy took the "form" of Pamala Voorhees. Doesn't make him a Voorhees. No Excaues. How lame is "We don't know if there is any Voorhees living in Elm Street". Well only a Voorhees which was close to Jason like his Mother can kill him or Reborn him and the only left alive after everything was his Cousin. And she don't live near Elm street cause Elm streets near Camp Crystal Lake! She sent Jason To Hell but he returned of course. She is the only Voorhees alive that can actually send to hell but it doesn't help, as Freddy admitted "They can do anything to you Jason but You can't die" !


34) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 10, 2003 7:52 PM

All right, all right, just hear me out. Let's just suppose that Freddy possesses Jason's cousin? Now you are probably going to disagree so let's just go back to Brian Butler's theory: I quote, "Also, at the end of the movie when Jason was carrying Freddy's head out of Crystal Lake, look at the sky in the background. Jason was obviously in the dream world". If they are in the dream world Freddy has yet to lose. Thereas leaving him the ability to keep Jason in the dream world once he realizes Jason can't die. All he has to do is possess Jason and then make Jason commit suicide. Jason IS a Voorhees and can only be killed by a Voorhees. If Freddy makes Jason suicide then that is that. They are still in dream world and the fight is yet to be over, mate.


35) Posted by: Red Bird
December 11, 2003 3:58 PM

Could be. But a small chance it's Jason cousin, He was killed in Part 3 or 4. I agreee a sequal would be helpful. Lets say round one goes to Jason but the fight isn't over. Agree ?


36) Posted by: Red Bird
December 11, 2003 4:02 PM

Also, if Jason commited Suicide (which he wouldn't) he would just come back to life cause even if a Voorhees kills Jason He just comes back. " They can do anything to you but u cannot die!" Round One goes to Jason, but hopefully and i am pretty sure there is a line of sequals to come (as per usual), agree ?


37) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 11, 2003 5:32 PM

Agreed. I kinda feel like it's just me and you having our own conversation here. There is going to be a sequal if the movie gets enough fans, I read somewhere... So I think there will be. At my theator, they actually brought in an usher to find seats!!!! My theator has never needed an usher for any reason. Also, if they do make a sequal, perhaps it will be like the winner Vs. someone else or the two go at it again. I think that we cannot truly say who won until a sequal. They screwed up in the movie though. Take the pipe incident for instance. When the hell is Jason afraid of water?! And besides, if he were truly afraid of water, how could he have walked out holding Freddy's head? If he is afraid of water is highly unlikely that he's going to stay in long enough to find Freddy's head. (I wish there was a website where we could take a poll for who wants a sequal and who doesn't.)


38) Posted by: Red Bird
December 13, 2003 7:47 PM

Too True. At Least We Agree On Something. I heard from many reliable sources (different mayor websites) all have the same story. It is supposed to be if Freddy Vs Jason 2 gets the green light that Freddy will have an Allie. They all say a well known horror character. I am guessing Michael Myers and Freddy Vs Jason, which makes no sense. Oh well. If u wanna u can have a chat with me on MSN Messager if u have it. Add me. I'm redbird5589@hotmail.com . Well i better go and celebrate Jason success !


39) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 13, 2003 8:06 PM

Michael Myers? that would ruin the Halloween movies! Michael only goes after relatives. And besides, who the hell wants to see two silent, invincible, and masked men go at it? However, I was surprised to find that Freddy gets an ALLIE. I figured he would have possessed Jason and the kids would have gotten someone after him. Freddy would then bring them into the dream world and finish one of them off, only to be dragged to the real world and defeated by Jason's tag team partner. And FREDDY having an Allie wouldn't be very fair at all. We both saw that Jason could barely handle Freddy on his own, so what chance does he stand if Freddy AND Michael go after him? What sites did you read this on? I am highly interested... Oh, and I don't have IM. Sorry.


40) Posted by: Red Bird
December 14, 2003 11:24 PM

I would have 2 find the sites again. They all came from this main on which has the story lines of all the movies being made like Blade 3 and where they are at. I'll try and find it 4 ya mate. Anyway just give me an e-mail if u want (same address). And there is only so much critism I can take of people making fun of Jason,:(, Jasons still the man - anyway he's the No 1 ranked killer - Michael Myers 2nd and Freddy in 3rd with only 40 kills. Jason has killed 121 and still counting.

C-YA Later


41) Posted by: Fuck Bunny
December 14, 2003 11:26 PM

Where can ya get good pics ?


42) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 15, 2003 5:51 PM

Beats me. Anyway, Red Bird, yeah... no denying Jason's top. But are you sure Freddy is third? I figured he'd be second. I don't mean to make fun of Jason, but he kills only the kids at crystal lake and the unpure(Not sure if that one's true. Heard it from someone else). Freddy, on the other hand, kills only the Elm Street Children. Freddy is scarier, you can't deny. I mean, which would you be more afraid of.... someone with superstrangth who will probably make your death instantaneous, OR someone who enters your dreams, makes you have a nightmare, tortures you, and makes you die slowly and painfully as if it were some sort of a game? I think maybe they should bring Freddy's daughter(Part Nine: Freddy's Dead) into the ring to finish him off for Freddy Vs. Jason 2. Your thoughts and opinions????


43) Posted by: Red Bird
December 16, 2003 8:05 PM

Well Well. Nice Ideas I Must Say. I found the information bout freddy being third on a lot of sites, if you look it up in Google you should find it. You may be right about freddys Daughter and all. Freddy vs Jason I think could go horribily wrong if the director and producers don't make a good story line. But I said that b4 freddy vs Jason 1 came out. Oh well. I have no ideas to what will happen, lets face it, anything could !


44) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 16, 2003 9:13 PM

They should have gone with the original script. Everything takes place in dream world and Jason STILL wins. Something like Freddy drowning Jason for real and Jason squashes Freddy's head. Freddy gets through a sattelite system and tries to go world wide except he misfires and burns up in the sun. Somewhere along those lines. It's just that in the origianl script Freddy needed a virgin bride(Where did that come from?!) and Jason had to help the kids. I can probably email you the script or give you the address it was on. It was on:

allscripts.com

Just type in Freddy Vs. Jason and it will give you a few scripts. But seriously, what if the kids got the help of Freddy's daughter to finish Freddy off? And then they have to get rid of Jason by getting a Voorhees? Or perhaps Freddy can possess his daughter and Jason possesses his cousin(Part Nine: Jason goes to hell). Then the two duke it out themselves? Think about it. Classic match of the Kruegars vs. the Voorhees. Probably something wrong with this idea somewhere, so go ahead and point them out.


45) Posted by: Red Bird
December 17, 2003 7:24 PM

Well There ain't alot of big problems I can see with the idea (4 once!). It's just that it would kinda ruin the legends if they brought all the familys into it. It would drain out the main characters themselves! They mmay actually team up with jason killing Freddys Daughter 4 him and freddy killing all the Voorhees. Now Jasons is back at Camp Crystal lake as the kids pointed out, he doesn't need to come back to Elm Street. Freddy has no buisness at Camp Crystal Lake so he would just stay with his kids at Elm street. That could be the ending 2 ya idea. Hit me back with some of your ideas!


46) Posted by: Red Bird
December 17, 2003 7:29 PM

That ain't the right address either , it takes ya to some medicine site ! And when this Forum closes (if it does) just E0mail me and i'll keep in contact with ya.


47) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 17, 2003 11:08 PM

I like the idea of that. But wasn't that the original plan anyway? The kids brought Jason to the lake, which is not Elm street, so Freddy should have disapeared. I'd like to point out this major fault to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!


48) Posted by: Red Bird
December 18, 2003 12:55 AM

True, True. We found a problem ! Well i just dunno. Well see. What else do u wana talk about Freddy Vs Jaon ?


49) Posted by: Scott banks
December 19, 2003 6:18 PM

Lots of problems I guess. Anyway, I tried to send you the script of the original Freddy Vs. Jason. If you recieved it, what did you think??? Should they have gone with that one or did they make the right choice?


50) Posted by: Red Bird
December 20, 2003 8:35 PM

Soz man, i didn't recieve it. Just tell me the address. I would love to see it. Try it again at redbird5589@hotmail.com

Thankz Man


51) Posted by: Mike
December 22, 2003 6:51 PM

If it was not for the stupid kids at the end lighting the dock on fire, Jason was dead for sure. those assholes


52) Posted by: redbird5589
December 22, 2003 8:33 PM

Freddyn lost Mike. Don't Tell Me I have to explain my reasons again to ya. Freddy put up a good fight but lost. The kids in the movie sucked but they made it look like freddy would win it but Jason finally won it. get over it mate.


53) Posted by: Scott Banks
December 25, 2003 12:16 AM

Sorry dude, too lazy. :-) But I can give you the address. It is

allmoviescripts.com

Earlier I might have given you all scripts.com, that's not it. It is allmoviescripts.com. I gaurentee it will take you to the site. Once there, look for a searchbar and type in the movie.
(Freddy Vs. Jason) It oughta give you a couple of Freddy Vs. Jason scripts and Friday the Thirteenth Part 8. Try it.


54) Posted by: Maddog088
December 27, 2003 4:46 AM

I have a comment. Jason is pretty much a zombie right? How the hell can you drug something thats already dead into unconsienceness. I am a fan of both series and I think Jason came out the winner in this one.


55) Posted by: Jason Lives
December 30, 2003 1:46 PM

Yeah Jason came out in one piece. I was rooting for him the whole time \m/


56) Posted by: Scott banks
December 30, 2003 7:00 PM

Jason Lives? Your name sounds vaguely familiar... anyway, I was rooting for Freddy. Jason I don't think can be considered a zombie. Let's look at the facts, he was brought back to LIFE. So technically he is still a living creature. And besides, the drugging was an excuse to get Jason in the dream world.


57) Posted by: Red Bird
January 5, 2004 11:05 PM

too true, have to agreee with Scott Banks


58) Posted by: Scott Banks
January 6, 2004 7:40 PM

Of course you do. ;-) Anyway, the Freddy Vs. Jason DVD is coming out this Tuesday. Any other questions on the movie???


59) Posted by: Scott banks
January 7, 2004 6:14 PM

Freddy had his own kid kill him because he had finished off the Elm Street Children! He wasn't allowed to kill anymore so he wanted his Kid to do it for him! And the reason he got Jason to do his Dirty Work is because everybody had forgotten about Freddy!!! If they forget about him, they can't fear him, and if they don't Fear him then he cannot kill them or harm them in any way. Not unless he goes to the REAL WORLD where all his powers are GONE. Weren't you watching the movie?! And if Jason is so Strong, why is it that he won because of INTERFERANCE from the kids?! They had to drag Freddy into Real World to beat him, and even there Jason was getting his butt kicked!! You moron, pay attention to these things!!!!!


60) Posted by: Scott Banks
January 8, 2004 10:12 PM

What happened to that other guy's post?? I believe he was subscribed under the name: Jason. It's gone.... strange... anyway, sorry I lost my temper but that dude was making fun of Freddy quite rudely. If he had just said Jason won and is stronger, fine, but he really has no right to call Freddy a wuss. Again, I apoligize for my outburst. anyway, The DVD comes out in about 5 days/ I can't wait. They have 18 deleted scenes and an alternate ending. PLUS they have fottage on how the movie was made and a few documentaries. Am I the only one who can't wait for this to come out??


61) Posted by: Red Bird
January 9, 2004 3:44 AM

I can't either, just one prob, i'm from New Zealand and it's just come out in cinemas about 3 weeks ago I think. I was at one of the first screenings ! Well just go have a look at http://groups.msn.com/247freechat and we could chat there one day. Also Freddy DID put up a good fight, but Jason was the Victor !


62) Posted by: giorgio
January 9, 2004 9:42 PM

im a true freddy fan.i'm agreeing with one of the resonses saying
that jason was in a dream world at the ending battel.reason 1:
when freddy shot the gas tanks at jason and jason flew into the
eletric yard freddy must've used his powers to zoom there.2:if
freddy winked he winkined.it probaly means that they were in
in a dreamworld because freddy is a mortal.u know what everyone of us is wrong.freddy's dead how could he be alive.he's a ghost.
it explanins how he ether still lived or he played a trick on jason and them kids to think that he is dead.freddy must've gotten his powers when the people kept geting scare of freddy(cause of jason)and he could've overdosed on his powers to make him have powers in both realities.maybe this hole entire movie was a dream by jason.jason can die.freddy brought jason back to live ,NOT JASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHO KNOWS WAIT TILL THE DVD OR THE SEQEL.MAYEBEE freddy might come in the battel at the ned of jason vs. michel and kick some serious ass or get his ass kicked.not saying he would.


63) Posted by: Jacob
January 10, 2004 5:12 PM

Look, nobody won. The book has an alternate ending than the movie. The movie was meant to get people to go and see the movie, therefore it was meant to get money. Later.


64) Posted by: Jacob
January 10, 2004 5:17 PM

Oh, I havent seen the movie cause all it is about is killing people. I know its just a movie, but Freddy fans should get along more nicely with Jason fans. Next year or this year they will come out with a new movie to get more and more money, itll have about the same result and you will be complaining again. Im a Jason fan, the only reason is because I was Jason for halloween.


65) Posted by: Scott Banks
January 10, 2004 10:02 PM

Who says we don't get along?? One of my best friends is a Jason fan and I am a Freddy fan, and we get along just fine. We discuss the movie, but we don't get out of hand.
Anyway, I like Giorgio's theory. It brings up new levels of what Freddy can and cannot do. Let's go with his theory for a moment, let's say that they WERE in the real world during the fight, and let's say that Freddy DID get a new power. It kinda leaves us to believe this because in all Nightmare on Elm Street movies Freddy was killed like a normal human being in the real world. BUT, in Freddy Vs. Jason, Jason had to throw him around like he was superman. I think that possibly Freddy did get a new power, in which case he has MOST of his Dream powers except for immortality. But, there is still the idea of them being in dream world, because I do not recall a scene of Jason ever waking up, do you?? Everyone might think it was in the burning cabin, but if Jason was asleep, how did he get in there? We have to wait for the sequal or DVD.

Also, DVD comes out in just 3 more days. Can't wait. I'm getting it first day out and I'll tell everyone what they say about the plot.


66) Posted by: Landin
January 10, 2004 11:08 PM

I think that Freddy is playing it very smart at the end of the movie...True that in the real world he couldn't be a match for Jason even though he still put up one hell of a fight...
However I think Freddy is tricking Jason into thinking that he killed him when actually he didn't so now that Jason has his guard down then somehow Freddy is gonna go in for the kill....

I am a die-hard Freddy fan and never really thought much of the Jason movies because they lack any imagination...
Freddy Kruger has such an in depth back ground of how he became what he is...Freddy actually was married and had a daughter at one time before the parents of elm street torched him....
But Jason was just some kid who drown during summer camp at Crystal Lake then somehow comes back to life and kills anyone who enters the camp....That is after Mrs.Vorhees "looses her head"

There is no creativity to the Jason movies what so ever....The dumbest thing about any of the those movies is that some of Jason's victims get a running start to try and get away...So they run there ass off while Jason just walks after them but somehow he is always one step behind them waiting for them to trip over a twig on the ground then get hacked up....

Freddy has charecter and personality....Freddy was possesed by dream demons which gave him the power to cross over and murder people in there dreams...Freddy was burned alive causing his face
to become groteque....So where the hell does Jason get his power to be invincible not to mention strong as an Ox?
Why the hell does he wear a hockey mask??
Why not a foot ball helmet or a base ball catchers mask?
Where's the background, where's the creativity!!!!

Anyway I thought F vs J kicked ass....One thing I think would have pleased fans more is if they threw in a few cameos like having Heather Langenkamp (Nacy from the 1st Nightmare) make a little apperence somewhere in there....I don't know if anyone else noticed but Bob Shay who has produced all the nightmare films made a short guest apperence as a teacher
during the hall way scene at the high school...

Anyway this is getting to long but I think both Freddy and Jason fans should be well satisfied with this movie...

And we all know that before this movie was ever even mentioned,
most every fan have thought to themself,
"I wonder who would win in a fight, Freddy or Jason"?


67) Posted by: Adam Dunn
January 11, 2004 11:42 PM

ok with all of you peepz out there talking all this smack about the being killed by a voorhees shit. just understand one thing. that movie jgth was one of the worst in the series. which breaks all of the story that was built up in the other 8 movies. jason's purpose was to dispose people who came back to the camp. he did this to avenge his mothers death. he was never demon seed like it was said in jason goes to hell. also if you want to wax intellectual on the ending to F vs J then look at it like this. if freddy dies in the real worl dhe goes back to hell. jason was dead he was destroyed. and when he walked out of the water in the end with freddys head they were already back in the dream world. since camp crystal lake blown up in the end of F vs J, and the water and everything was so peaceful you could only assume they went back to the dream world. and that is why freddy winked. thank you
and i love both freddy and jason.

p.s. if you are lying on the ground crying naked in the rain you lost no 2 ways about it


68) Posted by: Scott Banks
January 12, 2004 7:56 PM

Okay, I wasn't too thrilled about Adam's message, however, I must agree with Landon. Too true every Freddy fan has had the thought at least once who would win, Freddy or Jason. And frankly, Jason(No offense to the Jason fans) isn't exactly your "Worst nightmare to meet". Let's face it, I was a Jason fan for 9 YEARS. I saw 1 Freddy movie and was instantly hooked. In the Jason series, they don't look into what happened to Jason... no... they don't go through any mysterious clues... nuh-uh... it's always, "Run away from the butt ugly silent walking retard!" Let's face it, shall we.... In just about every Friday the 13th movie Jason gets pumped full of bullets and then falls down. Then, some idiot walks over to see if he's alive. PEOPLE!!!!! HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE?! IF IT DIDN'T WORK THE LAST 8 TIMES YOU TRIED IT, IT'S NOT VERY LIKELY TO HAPPEN NOW!!!! Besides, what does Jason run on??? People who go back to the camp. What does Freddy run on??? People's fears. Let's just face it, everyone has dreams, everyone has fears. But not everybody goes to a stupid summer camp where some kid drowned to death. If you were going to die by either Freddy's hand, or by Jason's, which would you choose? Jason's. Why? Because he's going to cut off your head and that be that. Freddy's more than likely going to torture you. DVD comes out tommorow, perhaps it will settle ALL argument on this.


69) Posted by: Greg
January 13, 2004 5:35 PM

Well, looks like Freddy won after all. In the final deleted scene, Will is about to do the dirty with the lead chick, when he grabs her throat, grins evilly, and grows Freddy's claws, and swipes down towards her. This is supposed to happen 2 months later. Thus, I think it is safe to say Freddy won.


70) Posted by: Scott Banks
January 13, 2004 9:27 PM

No lie. In the original ending it turns out Will is possessed by Freddy. As for the ending we all know, definitely dream world. There's too much fog around to be Camp Crystal Lake. If you recall, in A Nightmare On Elm Street 4: Dream Master, the dude who trains as a warrior falls asleep. And in the Dream World he is surrounded by fog. That same fog is at the ending. You can argue all you want, but the movie had a slight surprise having Freddy the Victor. Then again....
In the deleted scene: "place your bets", Freddy admits willingly that he is in the real world. But when exactly was Freddy pulled out??? He's about to do the chick in and then he is suddenly in the Warehouse. Besides, Freddy temporarily knocked Jason out, remember? Jason poped up and slams the claw(and arm) through Freddy and then passes out. Let's just say for a small moment Freddy really was killed. He returns to Hell, only to come back in Jason's dreams. However, Jason would recognize him and do him off there and then. So Freddy plays it smart. Either way, real world or dream world, Freddy won. Jason died first and since this was a Last Man Standing match, that technically makes Freddy the victor. Even if it were a two men in, one man out match, Freddy would still be the victor.


71) Posted by: chris bergin
January 16, 2004 1:50 PM

it is awesome when they start to fight at the end


72) Posted by: Logan
January 17, 2004 1:44 PM

anyone hear the rumors of a freddy vs jason vs ash movie. i personally think that it would rule. because we all know how cool it would be to see ash kick both freddys and jasons asses.


73) Posted by: Darkking
January 17, 2004 1:54 PM

Who the hell is Ash?!


74) Posted by: Red Bird
January 18, 2004 6:44 PM

Soz man, i've been on holiday, seriously and u know what was the strangest thing. We stayed in a placed called Taupo and i could swear i was in camp crystal. I ain't going to say i wasn'r shitting me pants when i went to the loo one night and saw the shower curtains (just like in the movie) swaying from left to right. Anyway I did some more work on finding more on this Freddy Vs Jason 2 Sequeal and it seems it is only 'rumored' which probaly means some crazy fan has spread this word over the internet! And Scott that chat thing u signed up 4 to chat to me, it opens february 6th. Anyone else who wants to come and chat about Freddy Vs Jason go to http://groups.smn.com/247freechat and i'll see u there on Feb 6th 2004 !


75) Posted by: Red Bird
January 18, 2004 6:45 PM

Soz man, i've been on holiday, seriously and u know what was the strangest thing. We stayed in a placed called Taupo and i could swear i was in camp crystal. I ain't going to say i wasn'r shitting me pants when i went to the loo one night and saw the shower curtains (just like in the movie) swaying from left to right. Anyway I did some more work on finding more on this Freddy Vs Jason 2 Sequeal and it seems it is only 'rumored' which probaly means some crazy fan has spread this word over the internet! And Scott that chat thing u signed up 4 to chat to me, it opens february 6th. Anyone else who wants to come and chat about Freddy Vs Jason go to http://groups.smn.com/247freechat and i'll see u there on Feb 6th 2004 !


76) Posted by: Scott Banks
January 18, 2004 7:48 PM

Yes, well Freddy Vs. Jason started out as nothing but a rumor. Anyway, you went to Camp Crystal Lake(Not really, but that's what I'll call it)?! :-D Perhaps that's where they made the movie, what do you think?? Also, since it will open in Febuary any way, wait till the 13th. That way it will open on Friday the 13th!!!! Anyway, dude, about the 24/7 free chat thing. It says I gotta be 18 or older to use their Chat Rooms, which sucks immensely. Anyway they could change that??? But that is the least of my concerns, I heard a pretty nifty rumor about Freddy Vs. Jason 2. Some dude I met told me that he saw some sort of interview with the guy who plays Jason. And this guy apparently told everyone there was going to be a sequal. I hope there is. The movie was made to get money, so why not make a sequal to rack in some more cash? Anyway, Red Bird, did you see the DVD version? They had some pretty cool deleted scenes. But out of all the features the one I loved the most was Camp Hackinslash. Apparently they rented some camp so that they could have a full day of letting people stay in "Camp Crystal Lake". I forget the real name, I'll get back to you on that.


77) Posted by: bam
January 18, 2004 9:54 PM

freddy won because jason got whooped they could of made jason at least fight back becaus jason is powerful but mikel myers is stronger then them both . but freddy won and its finle. king freddy,,


78) Posted by: bam
January 18, 2004 9:57 PM

why could,nt they have freddy vs pinhead and mikel myers vs jason it would of been much better.


79) Posted by: Logan
January 20, 2004 4:09 PM

Ash is the main character in the evil dead trilogy.(played by Bruce Campbell) the last film was called army of darkness not evil dead 3 though. but i've been hearing a lot of rumors about bringing that character in and if you listen to the commentary on the dvd Robert Englund even mentions that he has heard this rumor.


80) Posted by: MINION
January 20, 2004 9:13 PM

Alright all this talk about who won the fight. The fact of the matter is that Freddy put up a hell of a fight, but Jason was the last man standing. Like the book says "This wasn't some boiler room with pipes and torrents of water, this was the real world and the little man would die!" Something like that anyway. Face the Facts everyone, Jason is the better man. Sure Freddy didn't die, but you can't kill evil. These two ultimate evils will never perish, not as long as they make money. There will be a sequel, from what i hear sometime in 2005. But we all know what'll happen...they'll fight..it'll be a good match, and Jason will come out the victor again, but the question is how??? One thing i found pretty retarded was this...in the beginning Freddy says (disguised as Mrs Voorhees) "Jason, my special special boy, do you know what your gift is? No matter what they do to you, you cannot die, YOU can NEVER die..." Then later in the movie Freddy asks Jason a very important question..."Why won't you die?!" Jason can't be killed...NEVER...end of discussion, neither can Freddy, but Jason is the undisputed slasher king...don't believe me, take the quiz on freddyvsjason.com...another rumor going around is Helloween...Michael Myers vs Pinhead...But we all know Myers will get his ass whipped...As a matter of fact, Pinhead is actually the only one who even stands a chance against Jason...that'd be a match I'd like to see.


81) Posted by: Logan
January 22, 2004 9:33 PM

the rumor about helloween with michael myers vs pinhead is just that a rumor. that rumor was shot down like 1-2 months ago. it will never and i hope it never does because that would just be a dumb movie and just another sign of hollywood capitalizing on the sucess of the vs. movie trend.


82) Posted by: ryan
January 24, 2004 12:08 AM

i've been a big freddy, jason, and mike fan all my life and i have a good idea for a new movie. since freddy cant kill jason on his own all though it is an even fight he would search for someone as equally strong and find mike and lure jason to haddonfield (mike's homefield)and cause them to throw down but when he sees things arent goin as planned decides to throwdown with them and tries to kill two birds with one stone. by the way did any one else notice how freddy vs. jason was a freddy movie with jason as just another victim.


83) Posted by: Logan
January 27, 2004 3:24 PM

they are not going to make a freddy vs jason vs mike myers. that movie requires too many rights and wouldn't be that good anyway because mike myers if just like jason a big lurking guy who can't be killed and doesn't even speak yeah what fun that would be to watch


84) Posted by: Red Bird
January 29, 2004 1:25 AM

Soz man bout that over 18 thing. I have removed it completly, just sign up to the 24/7 Chat and your be fine. Also i don't think they made the movie at the place i stayed. Plz sign up: http://group.msn.com/247freechat - anyone can join, and feb 13th we are having a chat session on friday 13th, just look at "upcomming chats" page to have a look at the upcomming chats. go and join !


85) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
January 29, 2004 9:01 PM

I saw the movie and it was awesome.I can't wait for the sequel.freddy is the best and Jason's okay.I think everybody knows they could both beat any other killer.That includes Chucky,Michel Myers,the scream Killers,Ash from evil dead,and Pinhead.That's all I'm saying.


86) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
January 30, 2004 6:03 PM

For you who don't know about freddy vs. jason 2 it sounds like it's going rock.Micheal Myers and Ash from evil dead might be in it.Chucky and Pinhead might fill a spot too.It will be relesed sometime in june 2005.Richard,Chucky isn't all that great.Red bird,tell me more about the cnat on friday the 13th chat.2 more things,I have a question what's your favorite nightmare on elm street,and if you have any information on freddy vs. jason 2 post on here


87) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
January 30, 2004 6:26 PM

come on people say some thing Iwant to chat


88) Posted by: Darkking
January 30, 2004 6:36 PM

My favorite Nightmare would have to be..... A Nightmare on Elm Street part 4 AND 2: Dream Master(4) and Freddy's Revenge(2). It's a tie. I like part four because Freddy takes out that Karate dude with the claw alone, and his kills were original. With the cockroach thing and the bed, and I like part two because Freddy possesses people constantly and the part after the bird blow sup. The little girl turns to the dad and says some thing like, "What happened to Polly?".


89) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
January 30, 2004 9:48 PM

Myn's got to be either 1 or 3.I like in 3 were they fight freddy in the end and kincaid is really cool.


90) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
January 30, 2004 10:00 PM

darkking incase you have noticed ash is from evil dead


91) Posted by: Darkking(Scott Banks)
January 31, 2004 10:53 AM

I have never seen Evil Dead. I want to, but I haven't seen it yet. :-) Ah, well. What would it be like if they mixed a little bit of Resident Evil in the movie?? Can you imagine man eating zombies being hacked up by Jason and Freddy? Or how bout Spawn?? Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Spawn... that don't sound too good.. but neither does Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Michael Myers for that matter. Hmmm....


92) Posted by: Logan
January 31, 2004 12:42 PM

daniel where did you hear those rumors about freddy vs jason 2 if you have a web site i'd like to see it.


93) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
January 31, 2004 2:33 PM

I went to google and typed in freddy vs. jason 2


94) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
January 31, 2004 2:35 PM

that's were I found this site


95) Posted by: Logan
January 31, 2004 4:37 PM

could you give me the actual website so i don't have to go looking for it. if you would be so kind


96) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
January 31, 2004 6:55 PM

sure I went to a lot of them,but I can only remember 1.it was called www.countngdown.com.always i plesure to help a fellow freddy and jason fan.


97) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
January 31, 2004 8:01 PM

Darkking or Scott Banks which should I call you.anyway I havrn't seen A Nightmare on Elm Street 2,could you fill me in on it.


98) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
January 31, 2004 8:32 PM

is anyone else going to say something.I was away before but now I'm back.


99) Posted by: Red Bird
January 31, 2004 9:52 PM

Oh Daniel, bout the Chat thing u wanted to know, just go to http://groups.msn.com/247freechat and sign up, it'z free and it keeps out all the advertising. Also, freddy Vs Jason 2 may i feel ruin Freddy Vs Jason 1. Your comments ?


100) Posted by: Red Bird
January 31, 2004 11:26 PM

@hotmail.comATTENTION: ALL FREEDY VS JASON FANS ! There is a free chat happening on Friday 13th (february 2004). If u want to be part of this (it's free cause i'm hosting it!) just go to http://groups.msn.com/247freechat and sign up. We only make people sign up so we don't get ad's and annoying stuff like that. Like I said it's fun, free and u can discuss freedy vs Jason to the hills ! For more info just go to http://groups.msn.com/247freechat or u can e-mail me at redbird5589@hotmail.com with any questions or enquires! See ya on Friday 13th if u dare !


101) Posted by: Kicky
January 31, 2004 11:28 PM

Having probs with the time difference to NZD Time, just look it up on the net, it'll be there somewhere


102) Posted by: Slothman
February 1, 2004 12:21 AM

I just want to point out one thing. Now, i am a freddy fan, so I realize I am a bit biased.
Now, can we all agree that neither Jason, nor Freddy can die? good. That means we must go to another way to decide who won. Freddy was on the field almost 30 seconds after Jason was down. Which is more than enough for him to have a TKO against Jason. Does it matter that Jason walked out of the ring carrying Freddy's head? no. Cause Jason had already been counted out. I'm sorry, its hand's down a freddy match.

Oh, and please, everyone, watch the movie before you comment.


103) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 1, 2004 6:58 PM

Red Bird thanks the info,but you have to 18.That's stupid and faggy.anyway I agree with slothman Freddy did win,and don't make any comments if you didn't see the movie.Slothman you might want to change the name you put in.


104) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 1, 2004 8:24 PM

man,this sucks every time i'm on the internet no one else is on


105) Posted by: Red Bird
February 2, 2004 3:28 AM

JUST say your 18. No one Knows ! Hell i'm 16 and i'm running the damn thing, just join !


106) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 2, 2004 2:33 PM

Freddy vs jason is a kick ass film, but on who won, its got to be jason, he walked out at the end holding freddy's head, sure he winked but he was missing the rest of his body, so far as im conserned freddy is the horror king but jason won the fight.
and whats all this rubbish about them being in the dream world before the fight, jason wakes up in the van because the trank ran out, and the girl woke up because her arm was on fire, freddy was killed in the real world end of story, and jason was looking up at the girl even as he was sinking (just before she droped his weapon in). the reason that freddy lost was because he couldnt be arsed to waste any more enrgy on fighting jason, who would never die, so he let jason think he had won and then freddy could go back to his original idea of killing the children of elm strt, because other than the two who saw him get beat, every one else thought he was alive and kicking, thus giving him power.


107) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 2, 2004 3:13 PM

Soz, i meant during the fight


108) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 5:04 PM

I asked my parents why ya had to be 18.they told me and then said I couldn't lie.so sorry.anyway freddy lost his body just cause the girl chopped it off it wasn't jason.I say it's a tie but if I had to pick a winner I would pick freddy


109) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 5:08 PM

I haven't seen a lot of fri. the 13th movies.is jason a ghost??????


110) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 5:11 PM

I haven't seen many fri. the 13th movies.is jason a ghost.


111) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 2, 2004 5:13 PM


jason is a mongaloid who was resurected into a zombie

yea but he was pretty screwed with his own hand being punched through his chest

how old are you? daniel


112) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 2, 2004 5:15 PM


why dont you just ignor what your parents say and do it anyway?


113) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 5:29 PM

are you e-mailing me blood rage.cause your comments only show up on my e-mail.and I'm 10 1/2.


114) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 5:31 PM

now your comments show up.


115) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 2, 2004 5:34 PM

nah ime puting notes on the web

10 1/2 what you doing watching things like nightmare on elm strt, when you cant lie about being 18 on the net?

other than the fact their kick ass films


116) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 5:41 PM

Oh,come on don't tell me you got off the internet bloodrage


117) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 2, 2004 5:44 PM


nope still hear, what your e-mail adress, itd be easier

mines robey@felsted.org

have you evr seen rocky?


118) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 5:45 PM

man your notes aren't showing upuntil I put something down.they don't scare me,and my parents let me watch them.


119) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 5:47 PM

just click on my name and it says my e-mail adress


120) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 2, 2004 5:48 PM

cool, hey whatevr, wish i had your parents back when i was that young, i had to wait a good 5 years longer than you


121) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 5:50 PM

what does rocky have to do with anything,but no I hanen't


122) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 5:53 PM

yeah but I can't play some t or all m rated games


123) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 2, 2004 6:04 PM

I got homework I'm signin off


124) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 3, 2004 8:17 AM

Freddy wouldnt possess jason, its not his style, plus although jason has super strength and regeneration, he hasnt the speed or dexterity freddy uses in his kills. plus, the main aspect of freddys kills is that in the dream world he has near God like abilities, thus he is able to do incredible things to kill, i.e. use tendons to become a pupeteer. if he took jasons body he wouldnt be able to torture his victims.


125) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 3, 2004 5:55 PM

yeah,but freddy can torture his victims without jason


126) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 4, 2004 5:36 AM

YEah i know that, but 'IF' he tried to posess jason, he wouldnt be able to do it in the ways he loves, plus there wouldnt be as much fear, and he wouldnt have unlimited access to them.
anyway, just showed the film to an unbiased party and they agree that Jason won the fight, last man 'walking' situation.


127) Posted by: GIORGIO
February 4, 2004 5:46 PM

JASON CHEWS SOME SERIOUS BALLS.GOT SOMETHIG TO SAY ABOUT IT I'LL UR ASS OVER THE NET YOU NERDS.FOR THE RECORD TOO JASON GOT HIS ASS KICKED LIKE A 50 NIGGAZ FROM MY HOOD JUMPED HIS ASS.I'AM FROM THE HOOD
NEW BRUNSWICK & SOTH RIVER IN DA HOUSE
PEACE MY MOFOS


128) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 4, 2004 5:55 PM

looks like the lil biatch has something to say.
jason did freddy over, he ripped his goddamn arm off, and punched a hole in his side!




129) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 4, 2004 6:01 PM

Freddy was scared, begining of the fight he was shitting him self, look at his face!


130) Posted by: giorgio
February 4, 2004 6:18 PM

u got shit to say. blood range .what kind name is that.freddy got his arm torn off. so what.freddy had jason on the ground likE
THE BICTH NIGGAA HE IS
FACE IT FREDY KICKED JASON'S ASS.JASON IS A HUGE MONSTER AND FREDDY IS A LITTEL GUY COMPARED TO JASON.THAT MAKES JASON LOOK BAD.FREDDY STILL KICKED JASON ASS WHEN FREDDY HAD NO POWERS.FACE IT FREDDY IS THE TRUE HOMES PNDEHO.TU MADRE UNA FLACKETA GARBAGE
JASON SUCKS BALLS COMPARED TO FREDDY


131) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 4, 2004 6:24 PM

oooh big man, you some gind of Gangsta? bitch

freddy was cowering before that, on the ground arms protecting himself. if he hadnt struck out desperatly at jason, then he wouldnt have cut of his fingers, and then he would have been gutted like the little girl he is!


132) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 4, 2004 6:26 PM

freddy was screwed, if the gas tank hadnt blown then jason would have finished the job!


133) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 4, 2004 6:37 PM

Peace out my nigga!


134) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 5, 2004 7:54 AM

Hey Giorgio, keep the comments about my mother to yourself, its not my fault you only had two fathers and a chemistry set!


135) Posted by: Darkking
February 5, 2004 6:10 PM

Okay, I say Freddy won the fight!!! I watched the DVD over and over and found out where they entered the dream world. That dude, what was his name?? He was sliced by Jason. Then the chick came to help him out. Well now, who cares that he dies?! Noone. He was just an annoying character. We all saw him either die, or fall asleep. I say he fell asleep. Freddy entered Dream World there and then, but changed nothing. How else could he survive blows like that? So, he went in Dream World and tried to get rid of Jason, but couldn't, so what does he do? He fakes his death. It's not the first time, he faked his death in Nightmares 1, 2, 3, 4, AND 5. Possibly even 6.
I quote from the final nightmare, "I can't die. I just keep coming back. Let's see here, first, they tried BURNING me. But I'm back! Next, they tried burrying me. But I still ain't dead! Oh, but this.. this is my favorite, they even tried Holy Water. But I just won't die. It's what the Dream People promised me."
Besides, in all the other Nightmares, when Freddy was brought into the real world, he was never by his victoms. He was always somewhere else.
In Nightmare 1, he was behind the bed.
In Nightmare 6, he was in the armory.
He was brought twice, and both times he was not by his victom. However, he has faked his victoms into thinking they were in the real world before. He did it Twice in Nightmare 3.
So it's either he got into the dream world through whatshisname, OR he was never in the real world to begin with.


136) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 5, 2004 10:28 PM

hi i'm blood rage. i like to rape littel boys for fun.i evan gave head to jason once.i like to roast my body on naked men.blood rage don't u dare evan to think to mess with a nigga like me.i 'll kick ur ass from alabama to hong kong bicth.
freddy going to keep comig back and killing homo's like u and jason.don't mess with me i eat peopel like u for breakfast and luch. so chew so big red balls.got back to garbage land too.


137) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 6, 2004 3:51 AM

Hey Giorgio, its not my fault your the hoods bitch, dont blame me that 50 niggaz bend you over and bugger you until the cows come home, dont take out your rage on me just because to closest thing to pussy you get is the mangy dogs that live with you.
C Ya, i cant be bothered to waste my time with little pe-pubesent girls like you.


138) Posted by: Blood Rage
February 6, 2004 4:04 AM

You live in new jersey? and your calling where i live garbage land? hahahaha
shit for brains


139) Posted by: Logan
February 6, 2004 3:23 PM

blood rage shut up your just a stupid kid who thinks he is something he is not so unless you have anything pertaining to what this whole post is about don't speak because frankly i think i speak for everyone when i say no one wants to hear you.


140) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 6, 2004 10:45 PM

Blood rage your getting to be a real fagget


141) Posted by: DILLON
February 6, 2004 11:29 PM

i thought jason was dead sexy,if they were naked, it would be porn,I HAVE GOT TOGO HAVE SEX,IT SOUNDS LIKE FUN TO ME,YAH BABY YAH,I WILL SHAG HER ROTTEN


142) Posted by: Logan
February 7, 2004 12:09 AM

anyone else notice how this post has degenerated into a useless little thing with no value because a bunch of people think that it is funny or cool to be incrediably stupid just for there own entertainment.


143) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 8, 2004 10:25 AM

dillon is a perve,hunter is a weirdo,and giorgio you and your niggaz go back to the hood and stop using slang


144) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 8, 2004 9:20 PM

BLOOD RAGE YOUR A REAL LITTLE FAGGY HOMO BOY RABEING DORKY {BEEP}ER


145) Posted by: Red Bird
February 9, 2004 12:51 AM

HOLD UP ! HOLD UP! Man u guys can insult each other. Were just chilling aand talking bout Fredz Vs Jas and u idiots ruin it. Well hope ya happy. Hope frdz and jas getz ya


146) Posted by: Fuck Bunny
February 9, 2004 12:57 AM

if theres any bad boys out there wanna lick my pussy dry, add me to your msn messager! simpsonsrd2@hotmail.com , see ya l8er guys :)


147) Posted by: Darkking
February 13, 2004 8:07 PM

Shut the Hell up. We really could care less about this stuff. And besides, it's off topic. I said something earlier, and then there were 17 posts after that, and only 1 was pertaining to the movie. So, just shut the fuck up, and if you wanna talk about all that stupid shit, go to some other website!!!!! WE DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU SICK MOTHERFUCKERS THINK IS FUNNY, DO FOR FUN, OR EVEN WHAT YOU FUCKIN THINK!!!!
Now, does anybody have anything USEFUL to say??


148) Posted by: Red Bird
February 13, 2004 8:50 PM

Hurry ! Some one who can shut everyone up, thankz man


149) Posted by: Darkking
February 13, 2004 10:15 PM

They got me angry. I did what needed to be done... but most likely those MORONS are going to start posting here more because of what I said...


150) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 14, 2004 9:38 PM

RED BIRD DARKKING THANKS YOU GUYS KEEP THIS PLACE GOING.NOW WHAT'S A SUBJECT ON FREDDY AND JASON WE CAN THINK OF


151) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 14, 2004 9:41 PM

I KNOW HOW ABOUT THINGS THAT COULD BE IN THE SEQUEL


152) Posted by: Darkking
February 15, 2004 2:11 PM

Okay, we have most likely all heard Michael Myers will be Freddy's allie, correct?? Jason could barely stand against Freddy let alone Freddy AND Michael. So, Jason should(Out of fairness) get an allie as well. What about... Pin Head?? Pin Head and the Centobites are supposed to go after people worthy of hell. And as we all know, Freddy and Michael have been avoiding Hell for quite some time now.
Let's look at it,
Freddy is always trying to find new victoms in order to come back. In part 6, he ran out. Once all of the Elm Street Children are gone, he has to go to Hell. So what does Freddy do?? He sends the last one to bring his daughter to Elm Street. Once done, he goes to another Town and attempts to start all over.
Michael was supposed to die and go to hHell. But instewad he found a way to avoid it(I've only seen a few of the Halloween movies, I had friends fill me in on the rest). I believe he made a deal with the Lord of the Dead. As long as his sister is alive, so shall he be. In part 8(Resurrection), he killed off hs sister. So now, technically, he is a mortal. Am I to understand that Michael can possess people who obtain his belongings(I think so... Not sure...)?? And he gave his Knife to some Michael Myers Wannabe. So he has avoided death.
Jason, well I'm not sure if you can say he AVOIDS Hell. He comes to life in order to punish the councilers of Camp Crystal Lake for killing his mum. And only a relative can stop him. So he eventually went after relatives because they always killed him beofre his Job was done. So, as far as I know, he has been to Hell more times than he cares to count. He still has 1 relative left(Part Nine, Jason Goes to Hell, the Final Friday. He never killed off his sister, she killed him.), right? So perhaps she will join the fight. Anyway, Pinhead and the rest of the Centobites will be risen once again from that box thing(By the way, I haven't seen so much as 1 Hell Raiser movie... I rented the movie Boogie Men to find out about Pinhead)... He will go after Freddy first. Somehow or another Freddy will drag Pinhead, Michael, AND Jason into dream world. Michael will realize that he has been used, just like Jason. Jason will be all too familiar with the routine, and Pinhead still wants to get Freddy. This brings us to the conclusion that it's Freddy Vs. Jason, Michael, and Pinhead. Basicly a 3 on 1 match. No. Pinhead wants Michael, too. So this brings those two against eachother. Jason will see both of them as getting in his way, and now we have Michael Vs. Jason Vs. Pinhead Vs, Freddy. Jason must go to Hell, too. So Pinhead's going after him as well. It will be a Battle Royal in the Dream World. Freddy will kick their butts. The Centobites will somehow get someone awake. Now Freddy's in the real world. He will attempt to go back into dream world, but now that Michael has noone to fight, he wakes up. We still have Jason, who will be done in by his sister, making him an unsuitable Host. However, they are all on Crystal Lake, so Jason will come back anyway. Now we have a Battle Royal at Crystal Lake. But WAIT!!! Crystal Lake as blown up! So we have a battle Royal at either Hadden Field(Michael Myers' turf) or wherever Pinhead resides.In the end, Freddy and Michael will be dragged into Hell.
What do you think?


153) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 15, 2004 6:51 PM

WOW DARKKING YOUR BURSTING WITH IDEAS.WHAT MOVIE IS PINHEAD FROM.I WANT MICHEAL MYERS TO BE IN IT,PINHEAD OR ASH TO BE THE OTHER CHARACTERS.IF NOT THAT I WANT THE HORNY TEANAGERS TO DIE EVEN THOUGH THEY PLAYED AN IMPORTANT PART AND THE ONLY ONE I LIKED DIED MARK,I THINK THAT'S HIS NAME YA KNOW WILL'S FRIEND THE MONKEY BOY.THAT PART WAS FUNNY


154) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 15, 2004 7:25 PM

EXCEPT FOR FREDDY DYING I THINK PINHEAD AND MICHEAL SHOULD DIE AND FREDDY AND JASON SHOULD BE PRONOUNCED DEAD THEN MAKE IT A TRILOGY WHEN THEY WEREN'T DEAD COME BACK AND HAVE THEN HAVE FREDDY AND JASON HAVE THE BIGGEST BATTLE OF THE CENTURY


155) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 15, 2004 7:47 PM

DID SOME ONE JUST SAY SOMETHING MY COMPUTER IS OLD SO IT'S ONLY SHOWING UP IN MY E-MAIL


156) Posted by: Darkking
February 16, 2004 4:26 PM

Pinhead is from Hellraiser. And I like the idea of making it seem as though Freddy and Jason are dead. It would be like the actual Nightmares and Fridays. Freddy and Jason die, then Freddy somehow resurrects himself, and someone goes to Camp Crystal Lake(or it's remains) thus bringing back Jason. Besides, Freddy can't have truly died in the first one.
In Freddy's Dead, the Final Nightmare(Nightmare 6, it obviously wasn't the Final one ;-) ), the whole thing takes place ten years later. As long as their are Elm Street Children, there is a Freddy. Don't matter if they forget about him. Originally, they didn't even KNOW about him. How can you be afraid of something you don't know even exists?? So Freddy runs on more than just Fear. Anyway, Freddy and Jason fought in the PRESENT. Nightmare 6 takes place ten years later, which is the FUTURE. How can Freddy be in the Future if he's truly dead in the Present? Also, Jason. He has to live for.... 3,000 years(Jason X). He can't come back in the future if he's dead. We all know that in Jason Goes to Hell, The Final Friday. Freddy takes his remains. In the orignal script for the Final Nightmare, Freddy takes Jason's remains(Or so I've heard... I'll check.). So it is clear they are both truly alive, Since both of their latest movies(Second latest for Freddy, since they made a Seventh Nightmare) take place in the Future, which is after the fight.
Questions???


157) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 17, 2004 6:48 PM

whats nightmare 7 about and yes at the very end freddy takes jason's mask.and then laughs.in nightmare 2 is the girl from the first one in it.at the end of one the car that freddy posesses is does 2 go on from a little after that.is hellraiser good.are their sequel to it


158) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 17, 2004 6:53 PM

can jason live after the 3000 years


159) Posted by: Logan
February 17, 2004 6:54 PM

some good ideas about it just keep one thing in mind in making freddy vs jason they chose to ignore all the events that took place in the new nightmare for freddy and jason goes to hell and jason x. so any events that take place in those movie will not and have no effect on anything in fvj so basically just ignore them and forget they were made.


160) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 18, 2004 4:44 PM

jason x takes place in the year 2455 so it's after it and i think new nightmare takes place after it.i figure they were planning on fvsj when they made jason goes to hell because of the part were freddy take's Jason's mask.they probally wanted you to think they would meet and a couple years later you would expect fvsj but they mad you forget about then suprised you with fvsj 10 years later.and now people are really into it again.what does pinhead look like.


161) Posted by: Darkking
February 18, 2004 6:28 PM

Okay, they ignored the events in all the other movies because there was nothing in them that would dramaticly affect the movie. Anyway, Wes Craven's New Nightmare is supposed to take place after The Final Nightmare's release. In Wes Craven's New Nightmare, Freddy is dead and gone. So Freddy comes out of the movies and tries to warp reality into his movies. Basicly, he's messing around with the lives of Heather(Nancy), Robert(Freddy), and Wes(The creator). So Heather has to go and beat Freddy herself in order to stop him from messing with her kid. They didn't give an exact date of the movie and the plot suggested it was a couple of months after the Final Nightmare.
But anyway, the ACTUAL Final Nightmare does not end in Crystal Lake. During the writing of the script, it was. But then they were forced to do the ending in 3-D, so they had to change it.
If they were to ignore all of the Fridays and Nightmares, then the fight would have no rules as to what Freddy and Jason can and cannot do.
In example, they would have ignored the fact that Jason's purpose was to avenge his mum.
However, they forgot one important thing about the Dream World.
In every single Nightmare(except The New Nightmare), you get a Dream Power. This is a special ability that you are allowed in the Dream World.
Like in Nightmare 3, The Crippled kid could walk, and he could also obtain the abilities from his favorite board game.
And Joey was a mute, yet in the Dream World he managed to shatter the mirrors with his voice.
So, what was Jason's Dream Power??
Then again, he really doesn't need much. After all, he's super strong, invincible, etc.
And to answer the Pinhead questions,
I haven't seen the Hell Raiser movies. There's 3 I think... maybe more... I rented the movie Boogeymen. It took 17 of the most notorious movie villians and did a short bio on each one. Even showed clips.
Pinhead is the guardian of Hell, and the leader of the Centobites, a gang of demons who are summoned out of Hell by some sort of box... once out, they search for a human soul worthy of a place in Hell. Pinhead was a British General for World War 1 when he found the box. He was painfully transformed and became the leader.
He has(As his name suggests) pins sticking out of his face and head. Not just a couple of pins, but about 200 or so...(He's bald, by the way). From what I understand, Pinhead cannot be hurt, and is a proffesional in the Art of Torture. The clip I saw was a man being hit be a bunch of hooks. All over his body, stretching his skin beyond recognition(mainly cause of all the blood), then, he said his last words("Jesus wept... Jesus wept... hahahahaha!!!"),and was litterally torn apart by the hooks.
Personally, I would hate to die like that.
If he could do that to one person, what could he do to Jason??
Jason can't die, so how would that turn out?


162) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 19, 2004 5:34 PM

thanks for clearin that up is he in boogie man too.anyway got some more ideas for the sequeal.in the trilogy since freddy's a master mind and know's he can't beat jason on his own he get's chucky and jason meet's ash and both teams battle then they figure they can't beat each other when ash and chuky die so they just go on killing.then in the 4th one they meet again and pick fight with each other.or freddy decides to possess jason but jason gets control back and they fight.again they're pronounced dead and same thing in the 4th one.like it,comments


163) Posted by: Darkking
February 19, 2004 6:32 PM

I think that would require too many rights. BUT if they did manage to pull it off, I think Chucky might have a small advantage over Jason and possibly Freddy.
Let's say Chucky DOES indeed get in the movie. What will he do to beat to unstoppable killers? The same thing he does with everyone else.
He'll lie low until one of the two is killed off. Personally, I don't think he could fool Freddy, so let's say he gets killed off.
Chucky then goes against Jason.
I even have an idea of how to get Chucky in the movie.
The last battle took place at Camp Crystal Lake. Which is a summer camp for little KIDS.
So Chucky puts his soulld in a better doll because the one he kept on using kept getting torn up.
Anyway, a kid brings Chucky to Camp Crystal Lake. And attempts to get rid of him by throwing him in the Lake and Drowning him.
While Chucky is underwater, he finds the body of Jason Voorhees. Whether it be grown up or child, it don't matter.
So Chucky converts his soul to Jason's body(That's what he does. Converts his sould to the bodies of others. So long as they are dead.) and now has Jason's super strength and all that.
Once again Freddy drags him into Dream World because he don't know that Chucky has taken over Jason's body. Afterall, Jason IS a zombie. But anyway, once in Dream World, Chucky and Jason are seperate. Freddy finds the doll body(Chucky's real body is dead, so he can't use that one), thinking Jason brought it in with him(I dunno... maybe he took it from some kid before being drugged). Chucky lies low. He sees that Freddy has more power than Jason, and decides to wait for the chance to take over Freddy. Jason and Freddy fight, since they are in Dream World, Jason is getting his butt kicked. Freddy is just about ot finish Jason off when Chucky converts his soul to Freddy's body. Freddy is now possessed. He finishes off Jason(Or so he thinks). Then Chucky begins using Freddy's Dream Power(The abilty to control the dreams of others. This includes Shape Shifting). He somehow takes Freddy's powers outside of Elm Street. All the way to wherever Ash comes from(I have never seen Evil Dead. And I think that's what movie Ash comes from). So now we have Freddy(Chucky) Vs. Ash. Jason steps in and begins to help Ash attack Freddy(He is NOT on Ash's team). Afterall, only a Voorhees can kill him. Ash and Jason get Chucky out. This frees Freddy, who is angry as hell at Chucky. So now Jason goes after Ash(Thinks he is getting in the way). We now have Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Chucky Vs. Ash. A Battle Royal!


164) Posted by: Daniel Belodoff
February 19, 2004 9:06 PM

good ideas another part that could happen is that since freddy's a master stratagist he pretends to be on chuky's side sayin that he thinks chuky's a good stratagist too.then they force a vorhees too kill jason then they easily kill ash.then since he's protending to be on chuky's side,he kills him.and boom freddy's the winner.but if it were to happen darkki