Communist Body Count: 149,469,610
The following estimates represent citizens killed or starved to death by their own Communist governments since 1918. These numbers do not include war dead. The governments are sorted by body count (highest to lowest).

All numbers are mid-estimates.

While this list is as complete as I have been able to determine, it is evolving. Some numbers are incomplete and there are still five Communist countries that have the potential to kill more of their citizens. Over the next year, each government will be profiled in detail on this website.

A detailed bibliography is listed at the end. Feedback is more than welcome.

http://www.digitalsurvivors.com/archive ... ycount.php

Nice, that's more than Russia's entire population right now.

I'm sure we're all in for some amusement once Lenin's Lover finds this thread.

wow, 2.9 percent of the current population of the world? What ever will we do! Teh sky is falling1

There's more people on this planet than a mere 5,154,124,483.

What is the latest population count? Somewhere between 6.5 and 7 billion?

Regards Bob.

http://www.worldometers.info/

Thanks Phil. If true some of those figures are absolutely frightening.

Regards Bob.

In 1900, this number would have made up roughly 20% of the world's population. It's not about percentages though; it's about the sheer volume of dead citizens produced by these governments.

What's done is done. Not much to do now except live and learn.

You can't "estimate" anything. You should use historic facts. If you don't, you are a liar. You don't show the factual, hard documental evidence for your claims, you don't show the clear methodology of calculations, therefore, you lie. A honest historian, like Zemskov, who dedicated his life not to propaganda black-tarring of the USSR, but to actual scientific historial investigation of the repressions' history, never uses any unclear "calculations" and "estimates" which are simply lies.


Equating a famine with special murder is a propaganda trick. "Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity" somehow is always used when speaking about the deaths of the Third World, but famines in the USSR are attributed to Stalin and famines in China attributed to Mao - and, for a propaganda reason - personally, not to mismanagement, but to malice.


It's a clear lie to anybody sane - 58,000,000 is about 1/5th of the Soviet Union's 1991 population. Even small deportations are noticed immediately, and their scale is perfectly documented. Such a genocide could not even theoretically occur, because that would be totally devastating the male population of the Stalinist USSR, therefore leading to impossibility of growth of USSR's population AT ALL.

Anyone can see population growth of the R.S.F.S.R, and USSR, at Stalin's time was not anywhere close to allow a genocide of 20, 40, 60 million people in the labour force, because that, combined with the destruction of 20 million by the Nazis, of which most were labour force too, would lead to a total collapse.

Anyone sane can see that with the population numbers of the stalinist RSFSR, it's absolutely impossible even in theory to ascribe some 40-50 million genocide to him:
http://www.polit.ru/img/content/idea/alternatives_1.gif

I challenge you to prove your "estimates" with hard, documentary evidence about the repressions in the Sovie Union, because, as I said, otherwise you're a liar. Honest historians should despise propaganda persons such as you are.

Do you think we care if it was malice or otherwise? Do you think the ones who died cared? The simple fact is that the famines of both the USSR and China were caused by the policies of their respective governments. That's all there is to it.

I found it interesting that you link Russian websites, the poor nation has a number of delusional Communists still... you'd feel right at home, apart from the whole pathetic poverty and shitty government thing. Do you happen to speak the language too, by chance?

It's hilarious that someone with your nickname should call someone else a "propaganda person".

Its not always possible to "use historic facts" when those in charge of compiling those historic facts have systematically destroyed any copies of them, to ensure that the true number is never known. R.J. Rummel is an awarding winning historian, and Scott has done some serious hard research on many of these estimates, including pulling data from League of Nations and historical records that aren't readily available to the general public.

Calling him a "liar" because you don't like the fact that your precious governmental system has killed 100 million people is pathetic. Scott's numbers use the middle estimates, not the high estimates, from the figures he's found.



When the government's policies directly resulted in the famine, you can lay the blame for those deaths at the feet of the government. Unlike the third world, the USSR and China were not developing countries with no resources or hard currency reserves. And even when there is widespread mismanagement, there are still international aid and relief organizations that can help take the burden off those governments. The Soviets and Chinese didn't bother asking for help. When the Soviets DID ask us for help in the 70s, they got it.



Its not a clear lie to anybody sane. It looks completely plausible to me. The periods where the bulk of these deaths took place was during World War II, where you had both purges, war dead and famine competing to kill folks off. The curve picture you put up is not detailed enough for us to see the actual numbers, and there's no attribution to it. Give us the numbers and the citation, or under your philosophy, we can call you a liar.



You have got to be kidding me. It took the Nazis over three years - from the Wansee Conference in January 1942 to the end of the war, to kill 6 million Jews. And they were doing it systematically and efficiently. Are you seriously going to tell me that in the same amount of time they killed 20 million Russians?

And what makes you think that the 20 million who were killed were in the labor force? Anyone with a skill was back beyond Moscow in the factories producing war materials. The bulk of the folks who were purged were in the Soviet armed forces. The folks who got in the way of the Nazis were mostly poor farmers, and the Nazis weren't exterminating Russians as they went - only the Jewish ones.



Anyone sane can see that Scott isn't saying that 50 million people died under Stalin. He's saying that 50 million people died overall between 1922 and 1991. Reading comprehension goes a long way.



There's an extensive works cited page for every statistic Scott uses. Get a library card and learn.

And bitch about it on the internet? Seriously Scott why do you care about who killed who and how many are dead? IMO you should be thinking about new ways to go down on your wife, researching a new MMO for us to go conquer, or god, maybe doing something that might vaguely pertain to your life that you're busy wasting away mourning the death of some 1940's vietnamese bitch with a name you couldn't even pronounce.

This is something that's he's interested in doing. Sort of like your hunting, but with less booze.

My hunting > pissing and moaning over old corpses of strangers.

History is fascinating. By learning it, we have a greater chance of not repeating its mistakes.

Don't get all pissy just cause you don't know how big 149,469,610 really is.