You'll definately find this entertaining

http://home.comcast.net/~aliendude2/mac.wmv

cheers

That is the funniest thing that I've ever watched!!!!

I've spend time in both PC Word, and Mac Land. And well... everyones right... imagine that.

peace...

Steve (Not pretending to be someone else... just steve)

Oh, man. That is hilarious!

Apparently, OS X is much better nowadays and Apple continues to make the claim of "It just works". It kind of reminds me when Oracle would declare that they had the "Unbreakable Database"... and then it was hacked within a month.

Well, maybe when the G5's come out and you start doing some intense graphics or video, then you can convince yourself to buy a Mac :)

You found the iMacs cute? Look like toys to me...

i use a mac and haven't goose-stepped, obsessed over Mein Kapf, considered myself a fascist or gassed anyone.

i love how people throw the term nazi around like it never meant anything.

Most PC users are stuck with what we have. We'll defend PC's to the end, which is kind of sad. It would not feel good to flush 25k of MS crap. So we defend it. Yeah, Mac users defend themselves too. They're just as bad. At least Mac users have great stuff to defend. OS X is killer. Their apps are killer. Read any review in the past year. It's a fact. The hardware is killer, and it's competitively priced. PC users should quit living in the 90's. Using both daily it's plain as day which is better. Scott works for a MS loving company, so he uses a PC. Unfortunately, you only make yourself look uninformed when you bash Macs. The Macs back in high school are not today's Macs, and Windows 3.1 is not XP. You all want a new PC? Go ahead and buy one. Me, I'd buy a new Mac. –Peace

Competitively priced?

Compare one to a Dell, feature for feature. It's about the same, a little more. You do pay for the nice design, but you get some nice apps too. Number one in customer service too. Yeah, you can't really build your own for cheap. The point is they don't suck anymore, they're pretty damn good. ComputerWorld agrees...
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/macos/story/0,10801,84023,00.html

Oh well if you ComputerWorld agrees, it must be so!

instead of leaving it at the fact PC and Mac users will always defend their sides, you just had to give your opinion about how much better macs are. You just couldn't leave it alone could you? Sad. Well I can leave it be. Macs suck! God damn it, so much for that.

"We are livin' in a material world and I am material girl” Well actually what I meant is it’s a PC world and I’m not a girl but a guy... Well you get what I mean. My opinion on this; Macs look nice, great hardware etc... A few Mac programs are very handy tools however like I already sang we are (unfortunately) living in a PC world so I will choose PC for compatibility. Remember Beta vs. VHS? Beta was a better technology (my opinion also) but push out by VHS's.

James

Why a mac? Because I get emails like this one all the time from system admins...

"If you are getting a lot of annoying email complaining that you sent
viruses or many messages containing viruses, we can't stop it. If you are
a Mac user the viruses do not affect you"

There are some advantages to being such a small piece of the pie.

-Jed

I have used a PC all my life and have never recieved a virus.
Please name a killer app for Mac. I hear there's alot of them but I haven't heard one name. Why are all the Mac video cards at one-half or one-third of PC performance?

70.000 + virus for PeeCees
5000 MAC os9xx\
O OSX

Final Cut PRO : MAC only....
Apple Cinema Display: people are switching to mac
just for that

Just wait a bit til the 64 bits apps for mac ONLY will start to come out....:) lots of PeeCee people will switch

good bye

I had to adapt to the Mac environment while I interned at a local Design Firm. The programmer that worked there got a PC, but not me. I found myself shutting it off and losing un-saved work. This was a G4, and it can't handle Flash and Photoshop open at the same time? My old 633 MHz PC can do that, and more. I couldn't goddamn stand ctrl + clicking everything, although that mouse was super-sexy. And I hate not having my convenient windows task bar and start button right at the bottom here. With the Mac OS I used, I had to go up to the top right, and look down a list of currently running applications to find the right program; what an annoying task to preform every thirty seconds.

Nope, I love my PC. I will definately have to use Macs in the future, and I may even end up buying one in the near future, but I do it because I have to, not because I want to.

Great article, and hilarious video.

Computers that run Windows aren’t PCs because they don’t have the processor that the original IBM PC had, witch is the Power PC processor. So rely Macs are PCs since they still use IBM’s Power PC processor and Windows boxes are I386, x86, or equivalent machines!!!!!!

OS = Mac :. it's a PC
OS = Windows :. it's an Intel x86 and up or AMD

As a reminder PC stands for Personal Computer and applies to all computer but servers or PDA. Regardless of the operating system, MAC or Windows based computer are personal computer. The chip dos not define the use.

True But the term "PC" was the copyrighted name for a line of IBM computers, so a P.C. is a Personal Computer but a PC is a computer with the IBM Power PC processor in it.

So this all depends on how you look at it.

I prefer to go by P.C. the acronym for Personal Computer
Not the IBM line witch would include Macs and Windows boxes as you described

Nabeel-- I'm not sure where you got your PC History information, but you're terribly wrong. The original IBM-PC/XT was based on the Intel 8088 microprocessor. I owned one. It was never referred to as a "Power PC" processor and is in no way related to the Motorola "PowerPC" microprocessor, which is found in the modern Macs. Also, I don't believe the term "PC" was ever copyrighted (or more appropriately "trademarked") by IBM, although I believe they did trademark the "IBM-PC" moniker. As I recall, Apple strongly discouraged the use of the term "PC" to described their personal computers, as they specifically wanted to segragate themselves from the IBM market. Finally, the use of the period to distinquish the terms "PC" from "P.C." is absolutely irrelavent in Standard English. The use of the period in acronyms is no longer considered appropriate.

Scott Manning-- I should say that I am an avid wintel user, having only glimpsed at the Mac in passing. I really have no interest in a proprietary architecture with such a limited hardware add-on capability. That being said, I was concerned with one of your major problems with the Mac. As I understand it, the PowerPC is capable of running the Intel instruction sets-- or at least that's what Apple has advertised for years. If that's true, then it would seem that ALL of the killer apps are available on the Mac, and only a subset of those can be run on Intel-based machines. This is of course assuming that the Mac can in fact run the "PC" apps successfully. So, what's up with that???

you guys are funny. Stick with what works for you and get back to work.

One of the biggest selling points for me is that MacOS X is a Unix operating system underneath which means I get not only the Mac applications, but also any of the free Linux & BSD apps that I want.

Also, for systems programming, OS X offers three different languages that easily hook into the machine: AppleScript, Objective-C, and Java. Programming is much easier on a Mac.

And as Scott suggested in his post on ClearType, you work better when things look better. Things look better on the Mac, and I personally AM more productive on one than on a PC.

If I have to use a Windows machine, I can boot into Virtual PC, and it works like a native machine. Reviews have shown time and again that it works well, and it's nearly as fast as using a normal windows machine.

But I agree with the poster above 'just another cog in the wheel' when he says "Stick with what works" because in the end, each of us makes our own personal choices, and you just should be happy with what you like best. I mean, come on, there are still people driving AMC Eagles right?

Killer Apps for the Mac

Final Cut Pro
DVD Studio Pro
iMovie
iDVD

This is the year that PeeCee users stop their whining with the release of the G5 and the new 64bit version of OSX from Apple. This machine is awesome inside and out.
As far as all of the comments on crashing and whatnot...I've been around both platforms and know first hand that peecees crash a whole lot more than Mac's do. Macs had their problems with OS9 machines but with OSX I haven't had to restart for anything other than a major app install.
On killer apps...look at what you get right out of the box (iTunes, iDVD, iMovie, iCal) In Pro apps FinalCut Pro and DVD studio Pro are awesome. I use all of the web apps on my G4 that you can on a PC except for Coldfusion and then I fire up Virtual PC to run that app.
On pricing...compare a mac to something EXACTLY the same from Dell...you'll pay more for the Dell. In the long run you'll pay more for the OS problems anyway. A lot of times people look at the price tag alone and discount the mac because of the price but don't actually compare what you get for the price.
No one in the industry is as inovative as Apple is and that's a fact. PeeCee's may have the market share but they are followers of Apple innovations.
Look at the iPod...selling like hot cakes because it is awesome.
I don't ever hear people say that they are getting a cool ass beige Dell or whatever peecee.
Another note... compare laptops... look at how bulky peecees are compared to any of the Apple laptops.
I think I've ranted long enough...use what you want to use but take a closer look at the Mac before bashing.
p.s. On the video link...there are holes in many of his arguments.

A few rants:

OsX is not only cool but a real cool tool.

I've worked on Macs since 1986 (the first Mac came out two years earlier). I work in both Mac and Windooz worlds. I've made more $$$ on the Mac than on Windooz.

However, the final and only truth is not in the tool but in the craftsman. Great books have been written with a quill by candlelight.

What really matters is how we'll be distributing our ideas, and the hottest PC's out there right now are do-almost-everything cell phones.

Would I trade my Mac for a PeeCee? Would you trade a Volvo for Dodge Dart?

I really find your arguing pathetic

Scott's statement of mac users being Nazi like is true, they usually have to repeat themselves 3 times to get their point across. Best thing i've heard one say is that apple use military grade hardware so their better!

1 apple didnt make the 1st first 64bit cpu intel had theirs out ages ago the itanium and so do amd with optron or whatever its called so the 64bit thing is a marketing scam funny how apple never tested the g5 against them only against p4s and xeons

2 I use both i really couldnt care a f*** which i use if i work in development houses then its windows if i work for design houses then its mac

3 I dont know anyone that can justify lossing hard earned money on cross migration if you've got $10,000 to burn then do so but most of us work damn hard for our money and can only justify one marcomedia suite or adobe suite per os so please stop whinning and start creating and developing

Well I like to say this Scott your right!
You see even though MAC operating system supposedly runs, they to have problems like windows.
However they have one feature that is obvious as to why Apple can push to the consumer that their computers are better.
1. No Blue Screen of Death.

That’s it, WOW that’s AWSOME!
Hmm, now why wouldn’t I switch over to a machine that has no Blue Screen of Death?
Why?
1. Blue Screen of Death can be prevented very easily if you know computers!
2. Mac is like an Amiga, all graphic power LESS productivity.
3. Windows all graphic power MORE productivity.
4. Mac LESS development productions
5. Windows MORE development productions.
6. Mac GOOD gaming machine LESS games supported.
7. Windows GOOD gaming machine MORE games supported.
8. Mac LESS software producers.
9. Windows MORE software producers.
10. Mac LESS devices supported.
11. Windows MORE devices supported.

Hmm?
I guess that’s enough of a good reason not to switch!
B.M

I thik Macs are crappy. In my school's computer lab, we have these brand new "powerful macs" (thats an oxymoron) And two of them sit on one long table, and we have like 30 computers. The Macs are so crappy, the shake the table, and you can't even write on it. Then, Macs don't support much any programming or web design. The graphics are comparable to a turd. Then, it locks up practically every second. It also takes about 5 minutes to start up a Mac. The only advantaqge of a Mac, is if you are a gamer, you only have about 2 games to chose from if you go to the store. On the other hand, if you go to the store looking for games for a pc, you have multitutes of games to choose from.. so hard lol..

Hey John,
How old are you and how much school have you had?
I would like you to explain your basis on the following arguments that you presented in your post above:
macs are crappy
macs are not powerful
macs are crappy because two of them sit on a long table and you
have thirty computers
macs are crappy because "the" shake the table
macs don't support "much any" programming or web design
the graphics on macs are "comparable to a turd"
macs lock up "practically every second"
it takes about five minutes to start up a mac
it is an "advantaqge" if you are a gamer and you use a mac
there are only two games to "chose" from at "the store"

I want special emphasis on the claims that macs don't support "much any" web design, the graphics on a mac are comparable to a turd, macs lock up every second, and macs are crappy because they sit on a long table. Make sure to make references to recent changes and advances made by Apple such as Mac OS 10.3, the G5, incorporation of nVidia and ATI graphics cards, etc. Along with that, please include the technical specifications on the two macs that you are referring to in your post. Please dont generalize...

ha ha you guys are funny, i wasn't gonna say much but i couldnt resist throwing in my 2 cents...

well Apple is a cool computer company its just too bad that they are on the back leg. Put it like this... if they are so great why hasn't everyone got one? Someone on the Apple board must have ballsed up...

I want one (the sexy chrome 64bit thingy with 22 million inch monitor) but i'm not paying $8000!! and no i'm not settling for that crappy bubble screen imac bo11ox and i'm also not too pleased that 99.999999% of the internet programs (available via shareware, trial, P2P, etc) all request an x86 chip.

I tell you guys what, if apple build me a super sexy chromed out x86 with linux or applelux or whatever os then i might be tempted, that way if I really cant stand being left in the dark i can load windows on it -- ha ha

Macs are quite nice actually
I had an Apple II during the days.

Now I need a G5 for music production since there aren't other machines powerful enough, nor is the software available.

If you wanna mess around with system utils and viruses all day then windows is for you, if you wanna get media done, then a mac is your choice.
For everything else Linux/BSD =)

Scot Manning, you're an utter prat for starting but yet another pathetic debate on the PC v Mac drone.

Why can there not be a productive and intuative discussion so the PC user can understand clearly what advantages/disadvantages there would be to owning a Mac, vice versa.

I've been studying Interactive Multimedia for the last 3 years now, and due to my ignorance I have never really delved into the Mac side.

I have a PC and it's great, yes they can be a bit temprimental to say the least sometimes, I find it's due to the amount of crap that gets installed, getting things to work on it aswell can be a real bore and you have to be a pretty techy to get things configured correctly.

But I would never give up on the PC, I have managed to get everything done I've needed to.

I use programs such as all the Macromedia range Flash, Dreamweaver, Director, Freehand.. Then as it goes Photoshop and various other image manipulation software.

I would like to know if there are any drawbacks about purchasing a Powerbook G4 laptop to run these applications smoothly etc. I would be upgrading the powerbook with a ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 graphics processor with 128mb of DDR SDRAM video memory, and 1gig ddr333 SDRAM.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/72102/wo/G01OpWmXlnEv37MYKcR1b0jERqH/1.0.9.1.0.6.17.1.4.27.3.1.1.0?53,9

the last thing I want to do is buy a laptop which may be more reliable, but not run the programs as effecient. I usually have photoshop, dreamweaver, flash, an ftp program and something like winamp streaming at the same time.

I need to be mobile!

yes people may be thinking why dont I get a laptop pc and probably save myself a few bux, but, I would like to find out for myself how the Mac Powerbook is itself, as I will be working as a freelance webdesigner when i finish university, its looks would give off a good impression to the client also :P

I still got my PC at home.

Is anyone here a Flash/Web designer, how do you find a mac of similar spec performs with such apps?

erm, if this post is still active, some advice from a mac or pc user appreciated.

An advice: Visit www.apple.com to learn to use a Macintosh. Note: Please, do not search an Start menu bar on Mac OS... Do you know what means "Dock"?

in my opinion i think, MACS and PC's should be combined as one.

that way if you want to choose MAC or PC you don't have to go and buy a whole new system.
You should have the right to put whatever OS you want on your system.

i use a mac sometimes, they are really easy
ONCE you get used to them BUT, us being gamers have no
use for them.......
coz you cant play many games
we found 3 good games that you can play on a mac
but thats all
AND it took me 10 damn minutes to find slideshow
mean while with linux and windows it's in the
right click menu. which is easier to access.

I think people are pretty much set in their ways. I got an Ibook open box relatively cheap, and I had apple experience before. I used both my PC and new ibook together, in tandem, and i preferred the apple environment. Granted, its not a gamers paradise like my old Athlon XP system, but the fact is it doesn't crash as much. Yes Apple's do crash and if anyone claims they don't, they are full of it. My personal preference is the Apple, but i am not gonna sit their and bash windows users unless they are stupid enough to get 100 viruses on the PC. Its not the pc, look at the user. For those of you who dont like the fact that it has one mouse button, heres a clue, buy a two button mouse, logitech makes a shitload of them... if you are happy with windows, stay with windows, happy with apple, then stay with that.

Mac is just dedicated for brilliant ware, and/or net admin with brilliant ware, as well as other unix vars,other than those probably too, as well as welcoming all virusses and spyware. while mac, linux and unix vars aren't. that's why it's not easy to make software for mac/unix var. Cause virus and spyware are the brilliant brain really know and care about. That's why more 3.000 virusses and spywares they can't affect mac and or unix vars. I like Mac & linux for those reasons and of course many many other reasons

Most of you are boring me to no end about the fact that OSX does not have any virus apps. That is just fine and dandy the reason for this is because people that write a virus know that the people on a Mac are not doing anything important enough to screw up anyway. Windows on a pc is much more complicated than Mac will ever be. I must say that the Mac was built for novice computer users that do not really need to acomplish anything important. The ones of you that think that it is not possible to write a virus for a Mac is dead wrong. I will honestly say that I have not written one but was there when one was created. The Python script lang. can be modify to mess with the simple layout of a Mac. The final word is make a Mac do something important and a virus with be written to mess with. FYI just use Linux

Not to bump an old post, but now you can install windows on a mac, and it runs native, just like on a windows box. There's your 'killer app'. It's called boot camp, and it happens to be very cool.

Oh yeah, and Garage Band.. there's a killer app too. I don't understand how you say that mac has a lack of innovation, when really microsoft copies them every step of the way.

weird. I own a macbook with mac os X tiger and windows xp on it. I don't use the xp really, I just put it on there because it was cool. Everything is pretty much intuitive on the mac, except the whole no right click button thing. but you get used to that.

this thing hauls butt too. I can go from totally off to fully loaded desktop in 15 seconds, with my own apps and progs installed on it. It runs yahoo messenger, firefox, thunderbird, iChat (which is AIM compatible) oh, and you can use your built in iSight camera on the yahoo messenger and iChat, unlike with linux which has yet to get decent cam support on IM progs. Oh, and did I mention that there are actually zero viruses for Mac OS X? Look it up. Yeah, absolutely zero. Considering how long this OS has been out, that's pretty amazing. As far as I can see it, there's no reason not to buy a new intel based mac. I mean, it picks up USB mice instantly, and it works with flash drives better than windows even does. Networking is a breeze and this built in airport wireless is more sensitive than intel centrino or AMD mobility. It just works.